Installing python/pip in Maker API

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Hello Community,

The topic of installing prerequisites to reach into getting node-red to send updates to other HA and HE devices as hub is the main focus. Being new to creating apps and drivers it seems there is a direction set to sideload python and pip to get Ansilble to be installed.
It is something I would like some feedback on.
Is it possible and can be made stable to run the python environment with the Hubitat C8-Pro?

(this link seems to be intruiging*****GitHub - danielorf/pyhubitat: A python library for interacting with the Hubitat API*
But how to install in Hubitat? haven't figured out where any command line is or terminals to paste code to sideload the jig of python to install ansible to coordinate the node red of multiple instances that update one another.

The integration seems to be requirement to unload some of the traffic needed to monitor a completed smart home in theory. But I am looking into work arounds that can be implemented on most devices such as the Rpi/Ihost/HA to tie them together within Node-red.
I have to ask if the push and get function is universal or not. As in would it be able to retrieve and send node or device status to other networks without adding the python application Ansible?

attaching a few forum posts as a quick read which may hold the answer.

As for pulling data as an option, though making Hubitat the main node-red server would be interesting there is currently no clear indications in what has become present that it is possible to integrate and seamless cohesion between different environments. As of yet.
Feedback is welcome.

To "virtually run Python for a Maker API" means to execute your Python code that interacts with a Maker API within a virtual environment, essentially simulating the API interaction without directly connecting to a physical device, often using a cloud-based platform or a local virtual machine to test and develop your code before deploying it on a real Maker device.

Key steps involved:

  • Choose a virtual environment:

    • Cloud platforms: Utilize cloud services like AWS, Google Cloud Platform, or Azure to create virtual machines with the necessary operating system and Python environment.
    • Local virtual machines: Use tools like VirtualBox or VMware to set up a virtual machine on your local computer.

  • Set up Python environment:

    • Install Python: Install the desired version of Python on your virtual machine.
    • Create a virtual environment: Use venv to create a separate environment for your project, ensuring dependency isolation.
    • Install required libraries: Install any necessary libraries for interacting with the Maker API using pip.

  • Develop your Python code:

    • API documentation: Thoroughly review the documentation for your Maker API to understand the available endpoints, parameters, and data formats.
    • Write your Python script: Use the API library provided by the Maker to send requests and receive responses within your code.

  • Test your code:

    • Mock data: Utilize mock data or test responses to simulate real API interactions in your development environment.
    • Debugging tools: Leverage Python's debugging tools to identify and fix any issues in your code.

Example scenario:

  • Maker API:

You are developing a Python script to control a smart home device through its API.

  • Virtual environment:

You create a virtual machine on your local computer with a Python environment.

  • Code development:

Write Python code to send commands (like turning on a light) to the simulated API endpoint within your virtual environment.

  • Testing:

Use mock data to test different scenarios and verify that your code interacts with the API as expected before deploying to the actual device.

Important considerations:

  • Authentication:

Ensure proper authentication mechanisms are implemented when interacting with the Maker API in your virtual environment.

  • Error handling:

Include robust error handling in your code to gracefully manage potential issues with API calls.

  • Performance testing:

Consider performance testing your code under simulated load conditions to identify potential bottlenecks.

https://pypi.org/project/pyhubitat/

Python code traslation - #3 by roberto.grosso.rgr

C8-Pro / Raspberry Pi4 x2 /IHost / Victron Solar System / more being built and debugged day to day.

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Short version is that the hub runs Groovy, if you want Python, Node Red, etc. it will need to run on another non-Hubitat device. MakerAPI is a good integration point for your integration with other platforms and is particularly “easy” with Node Red.

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Great and thank you. I am speed reading but it seems the HA to HE would do the trick.
But yes installing on the Rpi4 then checking to see work arounds for integrating a node red checking in perhaps with mqtt options and will hope that works. Exciting once i reach the Grafana and influx portion of it all.

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MakerAPI to Node Red on an rPI is a route many have taken, also a couple of MQTT apps and an Influx DB Logger available in the community here. A couple of how to guides that might interest you:

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Great and thank you. I am speed reading but it seems the HA to HE would do the trick. Have to find that forum post that gave the information on the latest update. It is was recommended that Ansible could be used to integrate the whole series of different environments and ecosystems. Though ansible and pyhubitat have finally been installed. It just baffles me at why it was so hard just to get that done so far.

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Ansible is a pretty powerful tool, but not in most people's tool box because it does take some set up and understanding of the environment. Never had a need to look at pyHubitat.

If I had to guess, I'd say that MakerAPI generally hits 90+% for most of the users wanting/needing additional features/reporting from Hubitat.

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Its quite interesting that Home Assistant uses perhaps micropython or is built on python. But go figure the work around is pretty interesting as well. Chances are due to having so much hardware needing to be integrated that all options will be looked through. Not sure how to create docker packages for hubitat yet. Looking into it today.
Checked to install ansible and it was already installed in the Rpi4 which was interesting.

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What Docker packages? The Hubitat platform is not open source, and thus unavailable to create a Docker package.

FWIW, Hubitat runs in a JVM sandbox, and Hubitat apps/drivers are written in Groovy. Not Python or Ruby or Perl or any other language.

Also, you cannot run Docker on Hubitat. So if your question is how to create a Docker package for Hubitat to run XYZ, the answer is you cannot.

I found your initial post rather confusing. I guess I'm not really sure what you're trying to achieve.

  1. Are you trying to monitor Hubitat using Ansible?
  2. Do you want to share Hubitat devices with HA?
  3. Do you want to share HA devices with Hubitat?
  4. Do you want to run automations involving Hubitat devices using Node-RED?
  5. What else are you trying to do?

I guess if we all understood your end goals, the likelihood of pointing out a specific solution is greater.

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  1. Yes, ansible was recommended to bridge and make a seamless node-red bidirectional network.
  2. I want to simplify the method of using alternate devices in case a device on hubitat needs debugging or updating during the device testing process.
  3. Yes, it is assumed there is an app or driver to integrate all HA devices into hubitat.
  4. Yes.
  5. Creating a complex system in hopes that for instance the spa automations can provide the right treatment due to temperature and hopefully in the future sense sounds such as frequent coughing etc. and activate certain protocols for starters.
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Not necessary. Ansible is not needed to integrate Node-RED with Hubitat (or Home Assistant) for that matter.

Simplify relative to what? And what "alternative devices" are you referring to?

You need to install HADB on Hubitat. Nothing has to be installed on HA, although you'll have to generate a token. You can read all you need to know about installing HADB here:

You need to install @fblackburn's Hubitat nodes for Node-RED. His integration requires the use of MakerAPI at the Hubitat end. Of course, Node-RED needs to be installed on any platform that can run Node-RED. I use Ubuntu, but others use Windows or OS X. You can find all you need to know about installing @fblackburn's nodes over here, including directions on how to configure MakerAPI.

Many have also found this website, created by @csteele, to be useful in configuring and using the Node-RED integration for Hubitat.

https://www.hubitatcommunity.com/nodered/Hubitat_Node-Red/

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RPI4 Desktop

RPI4 VenusOS

RPI4 Homeassistant

CANADUINO
PLC-100 V2
(currently trying to figure if using many bi-direction level shifters would apply in getting the mega328 to be swapped for a Nano 33 IOT.

\Emporia Gen 3 Smart Home Energy Monitor with 16 50A Circuit Level Sensors

SONOFF iHost Smart Home Hub, 4G Central Control Gateway (reviiously had HomeKIT running and was not sure but it seemed like a good start but takes a long time to bootup and uses a bunch of CPU and memory.) Reset to clean palette

RuiCheng 40000 Watt Peak 10000 Watt Low Frequency Split Phase Pure Sine Wave Power Inverter 48 V Dc Input / 110 V,220 V Ac Output 60 Hz Frequency UPS ATS LCD Battery Charger

4x PWM DC Motor Speed Controller, DC 10-55V

4x 20A 300W CC CV Step Down Module Adjustable DC 6-40V to 1.2-36V Voltage Regulator Buck Converter Constant Current Power Supply Module
(for the skylight built from scratch, implements 3 fans. One 9 inch dc fan attached at the dome and a smaller 3 inch d fan attached outside the done inside the risen vent. Controlling or limiting the dispersion of dust is highly critical so stages of filters are needed and hoping to automate and an air filter that used bubbling and/or air and water mixing in pipe (contraption already built with pvc with fish tank like we producers aka underwater fans)
The Third fan at the base of the Skylight mounted under ceiling that is on a slider I call it. The motor to move it needs some implementation technique. Perhaps springs. This allows access to the roof to reach the solar panels and wind turbine.

Temperature sensors mounting under each solar panel.
Monitoring with a Z-uno sheild

light brightness sensor mounted under the skylight to try and calibrate and predicting measurement of what the daily solar power generation should be and where it currently is to predict solar panel failure or series set failure and maintenance periodic warnings and notifications.
1x Shelly Pro 4PM

Onan 6.5kw 120/240 natural gas generator
Has a big transfer switch that seems to run off a timer of some sort. But the generator works

Magnum MS2000 2000W Inverter 12V W/50A Pfc Charger

2x Magnum Energy Automatic Gen Start Module, Network Battery (ME-AGS-N)

Nextion 10.1″ Intelligent Series HMI Display NX1060P101-011R-I Nextion 10.1 Intelligent Display

NEXTION Enhanced IO Adapter GPIO Expansion Board Enhanced

Also have a Jandy Control Enclosure and intend on the PDA wireless adapter replaced perhaps with a sonoff device perhaps.

An ozone detector for sensing ozone levels in the water

and an ozone detector for the air

dwyer RSM-1 (figuring perhaps to have this running with the Canaduino but not sure yet)

A generic steam generator with aroma injector/pump

and finally a water softener as well a second control unit that i wanted to tinker with to try and set one to be switchable hence making it somewhat a smart water softener at best with just two setting by switching from one to the other with dpdt relays. To have a minimal water softening capability to reduce the strain on the pipes but not enough to cause corrosion. Then during using the shower to have it run at the recommended setting.

I think this scratches the surface.

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Also Github Copilot helps a bit but sometimes it accepts new repositories and helps with the typing the code correctly. Having all the hardware is cool but Github Copilot keeps guiding me to ansible and I need to redirect it towards a more groovy friendly approach. Installed the prerequisites mentioned previously at the moment.

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The githubs pages for some of the packages to get integration working sometimes show they were written in micropython or python and that's what threw me for the loop. I'm guessing Gitub packages them in python. Sorry for the confusion.

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Is this thread about how to integrate node red with your Hubitat hub?

I’ll freely admit that I’m totally lost after trying to catch up on only about 10 posts…

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What packages (specifically!) and what the heck are you talking about at all?

Neither Hubitat or Node-Red has anything to do with python.

There might be one or two obscure integrations that rely on some python script to do some discovery, or a python middleware, but it's no where near the norm.

I still don't think anyone here knows what the heck you are trying to ask for, or accomplish.

Is this all you are trying to do?

You are making this way too complicated. Stop asking AI for help.

  1. Get Node-red Installed and working, either standalone or via HA
  2. Install the Hubitat palette (it has easy setup instructions)
  3. Install the Home Assistant pallette (also has its own instructions)
  4. Create automations in Node-Red with both HA and HE devices
  5. Profit?

This entire thread reads like an AI fever dream.

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Already done and wired up. Just tweaking running the programming to see what problems arise.

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I don't see how that HA add on is relevant. Looks like it lets you create custom python scripts for automations within HA. Nothing to do with NR or Hubitat. If you have questions about it you should ask on the HA community.

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Its fun to learn with you all.. This is day 1 and making some headway. Just having problems with the basic python that is is required for some scripts. I hop to learn as much as I can from the community.
Thank you very much everyone for your patience.
In one day I have got tot he point where I understand a whole lot more than yesterday. Ill catch up with more screenshots why advanced configurations is needed. Its much needed that I focus and not confuse he community.

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Hubitat does not require or use python AT ALL. No where.

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