UltraPro, 700 Series

[velvetfoot]

Hey, I like the name.

I just ordered four of them to replace the GE built in motion sensors I have. They seem to always have been somewhat slow, aren't getting any better, and since they are stationary, could be more adjustable, even allowing for the tape over the sensor thing. Will add a ZSE18 to each for motion.

It's too bad they are not 800 with LR, but they should match the rest of the GE/Jasco toggle switches in the house I have installed throughout the house, and with which I've been very happy. They seem to be part of the GE universe, in some manner.

It does seem that the toggle guide light can be adjusted to different colors now. With my current switches, I like how I can make it turn on and off via rule thanks to @JasonJoel . @JasonJoel , would the driver have to be tweaked to accommodate the different colors?

[jtp10181]

What is the exact model and where did you see the LED can change colors?

Exact model should be a 5 digit number and also may have a ZW#### model, but the 5 digit number is the most specific.

Or if you have them paired already, the "Data" section at the bottom of the device page has numbers on it that can be looked up to determine the exact model.

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You could also try my universal dimmer driver, if the device meets the current z-wave specs the driver should be able to read and present all the settings to you. Let me know if it works.

[DRIVER] Universal Z-Wave Drivers (Switch/Dimmer)

Package of Universal Z-Wave Drivers with the goal of probing the device for all features and options possible and presenting that to you for configuration. If you are using this driver PLEASE like this post This should work on ALL 800 series devices, and many 700 series. Current Package Version: v0.4.0 - 2024-07-16 Confirmed Working Devices: Should work on ALL 800 series devices, and many 700 series. Let me know about any devices that work and I can…

[velvetfoot]

The ones that I got are switches, not dimmers, if that makes a difference.

"Optional toggle guide light - The white, toggle-style switches illuminate to show switch location and status. Color-changing indicator allows customizing the switches by not limiting the LED to one color. The indicator can also be formatted in four ways, including a guide light in the dark, on when the switch is on, always on or always off. "

edit: The model number apparently is ‎59374 , according to the Amazon description.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BRDGVDTY

[velvetfoot]

GE/Jasco have been less than forthcoming, in my experience, about their parameters.

[jtp10181]

Guessing it is the same as this 59368 Z-Wave JS Config DB Browser

My driver I linked above has a Switch version also. You should try it out, since its a 700 series device there is a good chance it will discover all the settings.

[velvetfoot]

Maybe, when I get the devices.

@JasonJoel exposed the led so I can do stuff like the following, which I find very helpful.
Different colors...even better...maybe.

[marktheknife]

@velvetfoot

They seem to be part of the GE universe, in some manner.

@velvetfoot

GE/Jasco have been less than forthcoming, in my experience, about their parameters.

IIRC, GE licenses its name and logo for smart home devices to other device manufacturers.

So even though Jasco devices say GE on the box, and Ultrapro devices say the same, I’m not sure you can expect any more overlap than that. AFAIK they’re two different manufacturers.

[jtp10181]

But from what I have seen the GE / Jasco / UltraPro devices all look and function nearly the same. Almost seems like the same product being labeled for different markets, maybe with slight tweaks.

[marktheknife]

Yeah I’m not sure how/if Jasco and Ultrpro are related to each other. I vaguely recall it’s just that they both license the GE logo, but there could be more to it than that.

[ritchierich]

@jtp10181

But from what I have seen the GE / Jasco / UltraPro devices all look and function nearly the same

Correct pretty much the same switch in all that I have bought. This said Jasco might be dropping the UltraPro line because it used to show under their list of brands on their website but no longer:

If you search for Jasco Ultrapro you will be taken here which again isn't referenced in screenshot above:
https://byjasco.com/ultrapro

[marktheknife]

Ah my bad. Evidently they’re more related than I had thought .

[jorno319]

I look forward to an update with your thoughts on this switch. I am just dipping my toe into home automation and have been considering this switch for my first use case.

[neonturbo]

In my opinion, Jasco/GE/Ultrapro/Honeywell are OK. Not great, not bad, just OK.

They did have a whole series of switches that would die back in the earlier days, but those are not sold anymore. Their product line is quite limited nowadays, especially in Z-wave.

There are Z-wave switches available that have a LOT more features for the same amount of money, give or take a couple dollars like Zooz and Inovelli. I would purchase from those two before I would buy any of the Jasco family of devices.

Zooz especially has very inexpensive devices that seem to be decent, and they have staff that are very responsive to questions and are much better to work with than a faceless corporation like Jasco. They carry a full line of sensors, switches, relays, and more.

Inovelli are a bit more premium in both price and features. Their support is top notch much like Zooz. Inovelli is branching out beyond Z-wave, so if you want other protocols like Zigbee or Matter this gives you additional options that Zooz doesn't have. On the other hand, they don't seem to carry as much variety of product like sensors etc.

[velvetfoot]

47 bucks for a two pack is pretty competitive pricing I'd say.
Except, of course, it's 700 and not LR.
As I said though, I have a house full of the earlier version.

I received my four toggle (not dimmer) switches in the mail yesterday.
Some of the differences I can see, so far, from my existing GE/Jasco Enbrighten toggle switches:

-Has an air gap switch
-Has a menu button
-Appears to do three way without add-on switch; I'm not interested in this at the moment, so I haven't looked farther into this
-Has a choice of eight colors

As I said, GE doesn't provide anything in the way of parameters in the enclosed printed instructions. It tells you how to change colors of the guide light as well as its mode, ie, always on, always off, on when powered on, on when powered off. It also tells you how to add and exclude, as well as reset to factory defaults (hint...the air gap switch is involved, lol).

As I also said earlier, @JasonJoel made a modification to his driver for me that allows the single color light on my current switches to be turned on and off by a rule. I use this feature to show that motion has been disabled, the well pump is on, the gate is open, NPR news muting is off (lol), etc. All of which usually involve flipping the toggle up or down several times. It is very useful.

@JasonJoel 's driver also exposes all six available "buttons", actually taps on the toggle. He also has associations available, which I've dabbled in but am not using at the moment. He also implemented the "alternate exclusion" option, which I discovered can make reporting faster.

While I do not currently have plans to use the multi-color capability, it would be nice to be able to programmatically light up the toggle in different colors. Perhaps, for me, other colors could be used besides the normal blue for motion lock out. Such as red for the well pump, and maybe generator 'on', green for utility 'on', yellow for gate open, etc. I can see an expanding use for this capability, but doubt I'll be doing en-masse replacement, because of the cost, even at $24 each, and that they're 700 non-LR.

Now, I have to find the directions for the old ones, lol.

Here are some pictures I took of the instructions and device:

[velvetfoot]

I installed the first one.
The good news is that it works just like the others.

I used @JasonJoel 's driver that he modified so that something he called LEDBehavior would appear in the custom command field. Parameter settings turn it on or off.

It would be excellent if he could add an "LEDColor" as well, so that different colors could be called programmatically.

As said earlier, I can change the color and behavior of the guide light at the physical switch.

I will try @jtp10181 's driver next.

[velvetfoot]

@jtp10181

Guessing it is the same as this 59368 Z-Wave JS Config DB Browser

You are correct!

[velvetfoot]

I spent the morning with this, and I think changing parameters on the fly with your driver can do it.

As in the past, have to be careful with the Configure command, but actions could bring it back to where it should be, I suppose.

In testing, I made a double tap on the switch control one virtual switch and a triple tap another virtual switch. These corresponded to motion lockouts.

I used parameter 3, varying between 2, "always on" and 3, "always off", and parameter 34 with 4 being 'green' and 5 'blue'.

The double tap was green and the triple tap blue. Worked.

However, it exposed the limitation that you don't know what's actually on, since both of them could be on! Perhaps cycling between the two colors? Hours of fun, lol.

I might try to swap them (4 switches) with switches that could benefit from the colors. More work, but perhaps worth it, to some small degree.

[jtp10181]

So does my driver detect all the settings? Or are you just manually setting it with the command? I think if it fails to detect it will make a log saying the command class doesn’t support it.

Should be instructions on the post for those drivers. You have to run configure for it to attempt settings detection.

[velvetfoot]

@jtp10181

So does my driver detect all the settings? Or are you just manually setting it with the command? I think if it fails to detect it will make a log saying the command class doesn’t support it.

Should be instructions on the post for those drivers.

Yes it does.

Two settings, related to led intensity, you have 1 as minimum, but the doc you linked to have 0 for both as reserved settings equal to off. I fooled around with setting one of them to 0 and it indeed turned it off. I went with parameter 3, 2 and 3, always on or off, Anyway, you might want to look at that.

Key for me is changing colors on the fly vs just on the device page.

[jtp10181]

Ok good to know it was able to detect the settings. I will add it to the list on the driver post.
The value ranges shown are what the device reports to the driver when I ask for the info, so if it is incorrect that is a firmware bug from the manufacturer.

@velvetfoot

Key for me is changing colors on the fly vs just on the device page.

You can do that using the Set Parameter command on my driver, you should only need to send the parameter number and value, since it knows all the settings already it will get the size from its list if you do not specify.