It's been awhile, but I thought if you selected Z-Wave and just hit continue or next it would then install what you need, including PC Controller. Have you tried that?
I have this in my guide:
You must create an account on the Silicon Labs site to download the free software. Access the PC Controller app from the Tools option in the Simplicity Studio menu. Click on Tools and then use the Add/Remove Tools option on the Tools Dialog that appears to add Z-Wave tools, which will include the PC Controller app. NOTE: If you need more help installing the Simplicity Studio and adding PC Controller to the Tools dialog, see page nine of this guide.
After they're all gone go into devices and make sure there are none there that you deleted. Then shutdown your hub from the settings menu, unplug at wall and wait 5 mins. Power back up. This will ensure there aren't any floaties in the water so to speak. Also do a backup of your database to your local PC. This will ensure a clean database backup (as it cleans itself up when downloaded) and you will have a backup without ghosts (as always though, backup after each change)
yeah so ghosts were removed and the lag is still the same as i was expecting it, more money and more time wasted.
is working and working then randomly starts freezing even for 30 seconds then i hear almost all the delay commands being received at once and so on
really tired of this smart home crap .
i appreciate anyone trying to help but it really seems that is the best the hub can do and can't handle 60+ devices especially when 5-6 of them have energy reports.
i give up, can't even trust it to use it with a siren since i don't have the mod to keep hitting that off button and wait for it to react until the whole neighborhood is awake
only solution that might work is to buy a fibaro crap center then just return it few days later to upgrade the firmware of my fibaro double crap so i can turn off their energy reports, i see that even when they are off each send about every 30 sec reports, annoying as hell
Sorry to hear that...I've never used Fibaro gear so don't have much to add in that area, other than very chatty/noisey devices can bog things down (there are also issues w/a Zooz double plug energy reporting that required extra measures to manage).
I know there are folks here using Fibaro devices successfully w/HE.
Saw this at the end of another thread...others appear to have had similar issues w/Fibaro energy reports:
It's quite a long thread, how did you end up with ghost devices? Have certainly never seen anything like that, and am finding that it runs super smoothly for me with my Fibaro devices now (fgs222, fgs224 and fgd212), though I only have 15 of them (all with default security settings). (Shows as using <1% of hub capacity)
I know some recent Hubitat firmware versions have required me to change the configuration process, for it to correctly set the required parameters/settings. Perhaps this is all linked to the fact configuration parameters aren't saving properly?
I think the "normal" way - attempted device inclusions that went south for some reason. He's removed all ghosts but issue now is energy reporting from his Fibaro devices appear to be spamming his mesh...
If you Google it you'll see there's a firmware with this spam problems, if i set those parameters to 0 it sends reports like every second instead of disabling it and i have 5 6 devices. I mean i still think the hub should handle them because is not really that extreme but still, each child sends 2 3 messages every 30 secs so over 12 Childs sending these reports every 30 sec even when they are off
Not to mention exact same devices fibaro double switch, two of them melted down 2 weeks after installing them and the website i bought them from refused to change them because i used leds with inductive load.
Funny enough one of them was exchanged with the same model still working 2 years later and the others are aeotec dual switch which we much better in my opinion
So basically fibaro made my life a living hell, 2 devices melted down, had to include /exclude dozen of times because unlike aeotec you can't choose to include them without security and now these bugged firmware spamming my network. Never ever touching fibaro again
I have one for that, depending on where you are we could sort something out
Thanks but pretty sure we don't even live in the same continent. Where i live lots of people still have restrooms in their yard, smart homes are not popular
What if you set it to the largest number possible, rather than trying to disable it. Most of the final devices I've worked with (including UBS and smart implant) all have settings so that power reports are only sent on changes rather than continuously. I wonder if you've just been sold a dodgy batch... Where did you buy them from to have such a poor policy?
setting to max settings doesn't help either, they send reports pretty much the same,feels like they only work on default settings, when i look at my aeotec dual switches they make very little chat and they have energy reports too that i could disable. I have 2 fibaro dimmers too but i could disable energy reports for those, only the double switches have this problem that hopefully next week i will fix with a firmware update with their own hub then ill just return the hub.
i bought them from smart123.ro it was pretty much the only website selling 2 years ago now they got slightly more popular. Smart homes are not popular in my crappy country
I found with the FGS224 if you sent a configuration parameter that wasnt listed in the specs (e.g. because the default device handler still had some old configuration in it, before you changed it to a different handler) then the device would perform with crazy behaviour. I wonder if some part of your pairing process is causing a problem that doesnt get rectified by the correct settings being sent later....
I guess we will see how things go with the firmware update, given that a Fibaro hub is enroute, but otherwise I'd be tempted to look at the pairing steps in more detail.
coming back with some news, i updated fibaro firmware, things got slightly better but i'm still unable to completely turn off energy spam .
With the old firmware setting this parameters to 0 would make it go crazy and send reports every second, right now i can set them to 0 but still looks like nothing changes.
The parameters are changed 100% right, tried both with its drive and with z wave tool, read here as well FGS-223 flooding with meter reports - Double Switch 2 - Smart Home Forum by FIBARO
the only thing improved as it was written in changelog is that the traffic is more optimized, basically it sends the reports as often as before but not as many at once as before so i would say a 20% improvement in traffic for these crappy switches. My guess is that because they released a new hardware revision they really don't care about these faulty ones .
Anyway back to hubitat, things improved slightly, lag doesn't happen as often when it does it doesn't last as long as before but still is not as reliable as i would like it to be.
Looking at z wave devices there are about 20% of them with 9kbps speed and i think this make the hub spend extra energery too while trying to communicate with them even tho when the network is not busy they react instantly . from over 60 devices only 3-4 of them are not z wave plus.
My house is not big (140 square meters with 2 levels) but is new and surely has a lot of concrete and iron that i had to buy a high end router for each floor to get good coverage everywhere. (the constructer told me they usually build a 3 floor house with those materials ).
Let's take a look at some stats, obviously the double switches are the slowest ( below them are their childs ).
Every switch from aeotec has total ms below 1000 in comparasion .
Anyway i want to buy a second hub so i can have a hub for each floor in hub mesh, this is the only possible and cheapest solution i can see right now to split the network load unless you have a better idea .
So i would like some recommandation regarding this. Keep in mind that the biggest obstacle is between floors which is over 30 cm of concrete and a lot of iron.
Basically these crappy chatty fibaros are located on both floors so I have 2 options when adding a second hub.
Add all chatty fibaros + my nearby garage to a secondary hub basically removing about 10 total devices from the main hub. These 10 devices work pretty much independently of others automations so ill have over 10 devices at 1 hub and over 50 for the main hub but in my opinion these chatty devices put more than 2x load on the network than normal devices.
Split the floors entirely basically adding 1st floor to 1 hub and second floor for the second hub so that they will end up with about 30+ devices each but for this i need to rely on the mesh a lot and i expect meshed controlled devices to have max 2-3 seconds delay. The only thing i need to have max 1 sec delay are my motion sensors with their linked lights which obviously will be grouped into the same hub.
So which option do you think i should choose and why.
Thanks
Given you are still using a tiny percentage of Hub resources it may be better/easier to just stop any debug logs for the 223 devices, so it isnt visible and doesnt bother you..... The hub will use a bit more CPU to process and then ignore, and your network will have some extra traffic, but you shouldnt notice any effects once you disable the debug logs.
You would probably find that the mesh is strong enough just with a few zwave+ devices to act as repeaters, and no need for an extra hub.
i'm not following you , The debug logs are not the problem, when i do my tests they all are off so the lag still persists so is clearly a high load z wave network problem not about hub resources and my thick walls dont help either since devices that are not on the same floor require more nodes hence more stress on the network to communicate .
I would go with separating the devices to each hub by level. I can't imagine that concrete and iron wouldn't cause problems with radio communications between floors, especially since you need a separate access point for each floor, and the router signal is much stronger than the hubs. Realize that Hub Mesh isn't actually a mesh network, but just a name for sharing the devices between the hubs over the home ethernet. For example: I have 2 Hubitat hubs. I did this because I have a lot of zigbee lights, which are known for being bad repeaters for things other than other lights. On one hub I have only zigbee lights (and a few z-wave switches/dimmers/smoke detectors) while on the second hub I have only sensors and button controllers with 8 outlets (Samsung and Sylvania) as repeaters. I never have mesh problems. I also have double the zigbee bandwidth since I have 2 zigbee mesh networks. There is no perceptible delay with devices communicating over the Hub Mesh (very small number of milliseconds).
thank you, yeah the hub clearly has less coverage due to no antenna but keep in mind that z wave works on ~800mhz which penetrates walls easier than wifi and has multiple hops but nonetheless this multiple hops for sure they put more stress on z wave load when you have over 60 devices.
Having each floor on a different hub means the home monitor will use meshed motion sensors to monitor, if the secondary hub reports motion, does the main hub gets this info right away and vice-versa ( no more than 2-3 seconds) ? i think i heard that the option "device report status" from mesh is like a failsafe in case something has been missed but normally if a device changes status the info goes to the other hub right away, is this how it is working?
Anyway looking for 1-2 more opinions about how should i split the devices among 2 hubs before i make my final decision.
Yes. The report is immediate, but there is a configurable "sync all devices" time as a failsafe. Like I said, all of my controllers are on one hub and lights on the other. If I put a controller on the same hub as the light I can't tell any difference in response time; it's instantaneous either way.
I set mine to 5 minutes and have never had a problem, but 2 minutes is default.
great, i am using 2 asus routers with AI mesh enabled linked by cable between floors so i should be able to connect the second hub to the second router and still be seen on the same network
