New owner with Smartthings

Expecting my new hub to arrive on Monday. Currently use Smartthings with about 130 devices, and have been using Webcore and Echospeaks. Finally got hacked off when the new ST app came out (how is that an improvement?!?!) and it looked like Echospeaks was being ditched.

Plan is to fire it up and use Hubconnect to get used to it, move all my routines from Webcore to Hubitat Rules, and when I'm confident it all works move the devices over.

I'm planning to keep my Hue hub, and probably keep ST running for presence and Ring bell integration (that's still not supported, is that right?) and DSC Alarm (via Envisalink, although currently connected vi Konnect) and anything else that doesn't work during the cross over.

Devices I've got are:
Hue hub + about 10 bulbs
Smartthings sensors and power outlets
Fibaro smoke detectors
Tado Thermostats (do they work?)
Harmony remote
Aeon Siren
Ring doorbells
Xiaomi sensors (motion and contact)
Echo devices (via Echospeaks)
Foxx leak sensors
And a few virtual switchs, Raspberry Pi via WebIO etc.

Should be fun.



Just joined for exactly the same reason and roughly the same ideas. May as well hang on your coat tails rather than a new thread.

I got hacked off for the same reasons and for the complete lack of forward motion in ST with respect to "generic" things. Everything being added has to be business case based it looks like, no new generic device profiles regardless of Zigbee/Z-Wave/BT standards etc.

What finally made me make the move was - and I hope this works - trying to integrate a couple of old but reliable CCTV cameras that just do RTSP and ONVIF out of the box, but ST has nothing.

Node-red is my cross platform home logic engine with ST being principally a device handler with some lighting logic, so the move may be simpler than yours.


I'd never seen Node-red, that looks interesting! Maybe once I've moved to Hubitat I'll look at that.

Blimey, just when I thought it was safe to go back to IOT automation...

I love node-red for it's variety and simplicity. But.

I've recently taken to coding again becuase of Go (Golang) and I'm thinking of playing with that as my in-house logic engine since it does pretty much everything (protocol and format wise) out-of-the-box. But no UI, which to be honest isn't a big deal for me.

NR make complex rule much simpler (IMO), and you can share them. A few good threads to wet your feet.


Why, you can probably run most of the Pistons as is on HE. Webcore runs great on HE

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So is the performance OK? I'd read somewhere that it can be slow?
Also I've sometimes struggled with some of the logic working when stuff is changing states and timers are timing out, so was going to look at native rules to see if any of that worked easier?

Typically I've integrating Google Cal feeds with time-base events and presence sensors to do stuff that IFTTT or the ST build in routines can't cope with.

That is what I heard as well when I first came over, but since then I have heard from several folks who have many more devices and pistons running than me with no issues. I have not had any issues, that I can tell. My Hub will sometimes seem to slow down, automations will be slow, but not just webcore automations.

Also many people who don't run webcore experience that so I really don't think it is the cause. A reboot and things will go back to normal. Some folks reboot their hub nightly I do not. I only occasionally will see this and I will reboot manually as necessary.

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I'm partial to a couple more Node-Red topics.... :smiley:

and especially this one....


Welcome to Hubitat!

You can use an Alexa Routine (even if you don't use Amazon Echo devices) to like Ring with Hubitat. Just use the Ring Skill to integrate the doorbell with Alexa. Use the Ring Motion and Doorbell Presses as Triggers for Alexa Routines. Within the Alexa Routine, turn on a Hubitat Virtual Switch (be sure to enable the auto-off feature on the virt switch.) Now use that virtual switch as a trigger for any Hubitat automations you desire.

I have used this technique for ~2 years now, and it works reliably and quickly. Much, much faster than using IFTTT.


Your mileage may vary.

It really depends on how much you pile on. At first I made my poor litle C-4 run all my devices, all my dashboards, all my apps and rules, plus all the community app I wanted to run for dashes and other stat tracking.

Did my hub slow down? Yes

Do I blame it? No

Now I have two one for devices, one for custom app/dashes, and most my rules run via NR. Once the dust settles and a grab a C-7, make the switch, not sure how I will divey up the task yet.

In the end I think it is all about how you utilize your resources, much like everything else.


So been having fun with this, moving stuff across from ST bit by bit, sorting out snags as I go. All pretty good so far. I think I may have to keep the ST on in the lng run for various legacy reasons, but happy so far.

The main problem I've had is that I'm using HubConnect to link the ST to the HE, and HE can see the ST devices etc all fine and dandy, but I can't see any HE devices in ST? I've selected these in the HE app and have the ST app installed by I can't see an HE devices in ST, am I missing a step? I did a search on the forums and couldn't see anyone else with this issue so I must be doing something dumb!


I guess that is possible but I have never tried it. I control everything with HE. My ST hub basically just relays commands form my HE system to the few devices I have left on there.

You might wanna try posting in the HubConnect thread. I'm sure @csteele can help get you working right.

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On this note, I'm not familiar with ST's Ring integrations, but there are various routes to interface with Ring Camera's and Ring Alarm.

Ranging from using Alexa Skills and a Virtual Switche, to IFTTT motion triggers and direct (local) websocket connections to Ring Alarm.
(I've gone the 2nd route as I also have Ring Alarm and the unofficial community integration is fantastic)

Once you get there, probably worth a thread just about that, as it is all very powerful.

Welcome to HE!

I am in the same boat. ST for years, now with Echo Speaks, my Hubitat hub will be here on Monday. Excited to learn and understand Hubitat!


I've made some real newbie clangers which means I've had to redo some things but can't say I regret it so far. You definitely need to make sure you do your research for some stuff, there's not really a single point of all info you need.

Part way through the journey now and all good. Well worth the effort.

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It was all going so well, maybe too well...

Woke up this morning, nothing working, no response from hub so can’t look at logs or do anything,

Hub has green light on.

Can’t think what to do except cycle the power, so I pull the plug.

Hub reboots, goes from blue to green, but no change. Can’t access the hub, nothing works, and although it’s green I can’t see it on the network.

Any clues? I’ve seen a lot of stuff about safe reboots but can you do this without access the UI?

Thinking I may have to revert to ST as although this may be something daft I’ve done if you can’t get the system back that’s a problem, partly because I’m highly likely to do something draft again!

All other devices are ok and visible on the network, ST, Hue, Harmony. And even if it was a network issue stuff should still work?

So I've rebooted and moved to a different network connection and got it working, so it must have been the network I guess? A bit worrying that nothing works if it loses it's connection, that can't be right? I mean I guess Hue etc won't work, but I thought the other stuff (Zigbee etc) should work?

Zigbee and Zwave will continue to work without a network assuming they aren't relying on some cloud piece for functionality in your rules.