Discussion about MOCA, WiFi, and PowerLine Extenders

Respect! My two boys like to game, so they agreed to the "attic-challenge" where they each pulled a cat6 cable across the house in our 4' in the center Florida-heat attic with 50 years of dust to their respective rooms. No way I'd do that.

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Thank you. I pulled 4 wires last summer in my attic and i can relate to the heat experience i had. I was dehydrated for few days afterwards .

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I can barely get my kids to take out the trash.

The trash doesn't provide internet. :wink:

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My wife complains about sweeping too but then turns off the Roomba when she wakes up.

This WAS very true, and my stance for years. However like everything in IT....

" The only thing that stays the same, is NOTHING stays the same!! "

Enter MIMO, AC, and AX. :bowing_man: :bowing_woman:

Wi-fi (802.11ac/ax and above) with MIMO (multi in multi out) have gotten so fast that, with proper deployment, you can achieve faster speeds than Ethernet. I know, I know WTF, right!!

I have a client that gets near or over 1GB speeds via wireless from extenders using these. If you set them up with-in range of each other, and have a 1GB back-end like FiOS it's possible. I deploy it all the time, and have one next week. Don't get me wrong I use these only where I have too. I would rather Cat6 wired connections, then MoCA, then mesh, finally extenders, just saying you CAN.

for @boringzt622

My wife hates seeing wires. So at my desk I use a lowly Wi-fi AC (Asus AC66u) router, reconfigured as a "media changer" (part of the built-in config) to turn WI-Fi into wired connections. As you can see I get a connection of 866.7Mbps (between this AP-changer, and the main AP) but my FiOS is only 100Mb by choice so it's not an issue. Again if I wanted faster I could upgrade to AX.

I do the same for a food truck/restaurant I work with. They were told by their POS vendor that they could NOT sell off-site. Loving when people tell me what cannot be done, I made it happen over a mobile hot spot - media changer - Dell sonic-wall VPN appliance - 2 POS machine and 2 prep/make printers. Everything has worked 2 years running.

Waiting for the next thing that "cannot be done" :wink:

EDIT: Note the RSSI: -28db If you are unsure what that means read this, or just stay under -50 (really it's above but lets not confuse things). Here is a Android app to measure. I have never found and iphone/ipad app that measure 802.11ac/ax RSSI if anyone knows of one please LMK

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OK now that's just funny I literally just got this email right now!! (not to mention the fool put it ON the package box not IN the box, gawd)

Sheesh. I can't maintain 400 Mbps and my laptop has line of sight to my 5 Ghz "ac" router.

RSSI cares not about your sight lines. The human eye can clearly see 100 feet. 5Ghz Wi-Fi dies at less than half/quarter that (depending on house build). It's worse than z-wave :laughing: Like Z-wave you want speed/stability on 5G add boosters of some sort. Unless you have studio apartment, then your good with your router alone.

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Putting a booster in between my router and my computer, which are separated by 18 feet of open air, seems crazy. :stuck_out_tongue:

agreed, if your pulling that at 18 feet it is most likely a hardware limitation.

Or like the HP I just opened and repaired only has one of two antenna wires. Way to go HP!!

90% of all laptops are garbage, and have no business being sold in 2020.

Mac aside, but again spend $1500 on a PC laptop and you'll be in that 10%

I would also recommend MOCA adapters and can vouch for the fact that I consistently get about 940Mb to my Amplifi units (Amplifi HD routers have 4 ethernet ports on the back). I am also using an old Apple Extreme basically as a switch to get ethernet to a TV and Apple TV.

It's a bit tricky to set up (the ATT U-Verse tech essentially said that they would not support it and I was on my own) but it has worked for over a year. The basic set up is at the following link:
https://community.amplifi.com/topic/1195/hd-mesh-router-connected-using-actiontec-bonded-moca-2-0-ethernet-to-coax-adapter/14

Hope this helps.

I have some of the Actiontec MoCA 2.0 bonded adapters in service, too. Have been very fast and reliable for me.

Also have one of the Motorola MoCA 2.0 adapters in service, and it works, too.

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Moca is awsome. I get 470mbps of possible 500mbps. I borrowed my friends moca 2.0, before I spent $500 for wired Ethernet. Wish I didnā€™t. I got about 800mbps, same on both.

Bottom line, if you can bite$120 now for Two. Then later bribe ur kids tell them Ethernet will cost $500 to run to their room but you love them and will do it for $300 in car washes. After the initial $120, itā€™s ā€œonlyā€ $60 for a new wired room. Also because moca isnā€™t already ā€œsplitā€ you can split it. So you might only need 1 between the two of them. Also, soonish, I feel youā€™ll NEED wired Ethernet or a $500 WiFi system anyway. I have a feeling Apple, Netflix etc are going to offer real 4K soon.
Even if you need WiFi for like iPads etc, moca is still awsome, because you can plug a wireless acess point in. OVERKILL, yes, but a $70 ap on each floor will provide a much better WiFi than a $500 WiFi router in your attic.

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$120 https://www.gocoax.com/buy-now

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Thanks @TechMedX, you inspired me. I returned my Velops ax and bought 2 Tp-link devices. I spent 1/3 and had very good results...

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i have no router, just a small puck with only usb charging for wifi atm.

I have wifi only ATM (no ethernet access as I'm using a hotspot device for a few more months)

Can someone recommend a wifi extender/booster I can use to add ethernet ports to my network?

My reason for going with a booster is once I have good wired internet, I will be in need of an extender anyway so this purchase won't be useless or short term.

I'm hoping to plug my hue bridge and hubitat into ethernet (unless hubitat doesnt need ethernet?)


Iā€™m a big fan of ASUS WiFi devices.

Hubitat recently added the ability to use a WiFi dongle, though. Personally I wouldnā€™t connect my hub to the LAN via WiFi unless there was no other option.

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@phoebechese0

Iā€™m seconding @marktheknifeā€™s suggestion. Most ASUS WiFi routers can be configured as WiFi extenders, and you can connect ethernet devices to the LAN ports.

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I have the ASUS AXE11000 and it's probably the strongest signal I've gotten out of several different routers recently. I get usable signal all the way out to the mailbox 3 houses down and across the street with the router in the middle of my house. It's pretty expensive though and way overkill for most people. I don't buy routers very often, so figured this would suffice for the next 10 years or so.

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