[2.2.4.139] Woke up to Slowwwww world - delays & non-responsive

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Thanks @neonturbo!

What you and @lewis.heidrick are stating seems to go along with what I'm seeing on my hub(s).

I ended up removing 2 apps which seemed to produce run times in the seconds, and given what they were doing, it probably made sense that they produced such long run-times. One was the Unifi gateway app, which has to parse a stupid amount of data from the Ubiquiti gateway, and I only installed it as a lark, as I don't really use presence for anything, and that was all I was getting out of that.

I also removed a Idle Node Refresher, which I installed as an experiment.

Of my remaining devices, even the long winded (Sonos) devices seem to stay under the 1 Second Mark, although the Sonos App (which ran once), seemed to take 2.7 seconds to complete. Not sure what that's about, and I'll run stats a few times over the next few days to see whether that's consistent.

Intersting stuff for sure.

Thanks
S.

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You have to consider what the app or device is doing to know if it's an issue. An outlet with a ton of runcounts would lead me to think power reporting is too frequent. Or say a local motion app with a very high run time, you may want to reconsider how you structure it. A motion sensor with lux enabled and a ton of runcounts would also be a good example where you could flood your mesh. Or a contact sensor with an average run time of 300 is probably a problem.

Local apps tend to have a runtime of around 150 or less and usually around 70 while cloud enabled apps can be much much higher depending on what they are doing.

If you have very high runtime apps consider what they are providing and make an educated evaluation about whether the load is worth what they are providing. Especially if it's not showing an impact on your automations. Then if you do have a problem with them in the future you have an idea of things you can disable to track down the source.

Devices on the mesh are going to be more impactful because of the bandwidth limitations of zwave and zigbee. Lan is less of an issue because it's all on the cpu, memory, and local network.

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It was snappy last night at 9:30.
Fell asleep on couch. Woke up to slow world at 4:00 AM.
Restarted the Status routine, but didn't think it was/would provide anything at that point.
Stopped Status.
Rebooted the hub from the settings screen.
It started up in slow world!
Restarted Status.
Went to bed. Still in slow world at 8:30AM.
FreeOSMemory is 540652 , if that means anything.
Here is the Status log:

Device Stats enabled: true
Device stats start time: 1606556289653
Device stats total run time: 13847890
device id 175 runcount 699 total runtime 28455 average run time 40.7081545064
device id 147 runcount 702 total runtime 27776 average run time 39.5669515670
device id 116 runcount 16 total runtime 476 average run time 29.75
device id 76 runcount 20 total runtime 382 average run time 19.1
device id 46 runcount 20 total runtime 286 average run time 14.3
device id 174 runcount 18 total runtime 178 average run time 9.8888888889
device id 7 runcount 30 total runtime 568 average run time 18.9333333333
device id 33 runcount 12 total runtime 145 average run time 12.0833333333
device id 117 runcount 14 total runtime 192 average run time 13.7142857143
device id 8 runcount 12 total runtime 111 average run time 9.25
device id 42 runcount 4 total runtime 79 average run time 19.75
device id 124 runcount 1 total runtime 6 average run time 6
device id 129 runcount 1 total runtime 5 average run time 5
device id 130 runcount 1 total runtime 6 average run time 6
device id 161 runcount 40 total runtime 341 average run time 8.525
device id 98 runcount 52 total runtime 1992 average run time 38.3076923077
device id 119 runcount 2 total runtime 107 average run time 53.5
device id 114 runcount 9 total runtime 511 average run time 56.7777777778
device id 113 runcount 8 total runtime 346 average run time 43.25
device id 138 runcount 2 total runtime 133 average run time 66.5
device id 120 runcount 2 total runtime 98 average run time 49
device id 156 runcount 2 total runtime 107 average run time 53.5
device id 96 runcount 60 total runtime 851 average run time 14.1833333333
device id 97 runcount 60 total runtime 757 average run time 12.6166666667
device id 118 runcount 36 total runtime 639 average run time 17.75
device id 162 runcount 18 total runtime 241 average run time 13.3888888889
device id 160 runcount 18 total runtime 787 average run time 43.7222222222
device id 169 runcount 10 total runtime 164 average run time 16.4
device id 95 runcount 12 total runtime 348 average run time 29
device id 168 runcount 4 total runtime 28 average run time 7
device id 102 runcount 4 total runtime 98 average run time 24.5
device id 101 runcount 8 total runtime 56 average run time 7
device id 103 runcount 9 total runtime 87 average run time 9.6666666667
device id 40 runcount 2 total runtime 64 average run time 32
device id 170 runcount 2 total runtime 43 average run time 21.5
device id 123 runcount 3 total runtime 21 average run time 7
App Stats enabled: true
App stats start time: 1606556289682
App stats total run time: 13847886
app id 134 runcount 13 total runtime 1632 average run time 125.5384615385
app id 176 runcount 1 total runtime 285 average run time 285
app id 103 runcount 9 total runtime 399 average run time 44.3333333333
app id 139 runcount 67 total runtime 3158 average run time 47.1343283582
app id 144 runcount 21 total runtime 1266 average run time 60.2857142857
app id 143 runcount 18 total runtime 662 average run time 36.7777777778
app id 141 runcount 18 total runtime 892 average run time 49.5555555556
app id 140 runcount 9 total runtime 587 average run time 65.2222222222
app id 142 runcount 18 total runtime 1358 average run time 75.4444444444
app id 157 runcount 9 total runtime 349 average run time 38.7777777778
app id 153 runcount 9 total runtime 653 average run time 72.5555555556
app id 154 runcount 9 total runtime 647 average run time 71.8888888889
app id 156 runcount 14 total runtime 1190 average run time 85
app id 160 runcount 6 total runtime 418 average run time 69.6666666667
app id 167 runcount 2 total runtime 110 average run time 55
app id 148 runcount 2 total runtime 78 average run time 39
app id 118 runcount 2 total runtime 75 average run time 37.5

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devices
175 and 147 are ST presence sensors, which are Zigbee, and have been working just fine.

apps
134 is for basement lights
176 is for wife's car presence

170

I removed direct association for the 3 devices that had it: still slow.

I added a rule to take the place of one direct association for closet lighting: still slow.

I added two rules to take the place of the two basement pseudo 3-way switches' direct association. It wouldn't 'take' at first. I went upstairs to open and close the door that trips all the light down in the basement, then tried the switches again. They then started working. The basement automation also was fast.

I went upstairs. Master bathroom still slow...although that might have been the result of the workaround I had to do because of a broken simple automation 1.1 feature, delay off after open on a contact sensor. Probably not though.

171

I wonder if overnight radio repair somehow screws things up for your zwave network. I've looked at the logs from your hub several times over the last few days, even ramping up log level to make sure nothing untowardly is happening. There's definitely not enough going on to explain the slowdown, yet the pattern is things grind down to a crawl overnight.

I'm going to add some sort of a switch to disable nightly radio cleanup, but in the meantime let's just have your hub reboot itself after that radio repair job runs. Below is a link to one thread with instructions to set up reboot @ 4am. This is totally a band aid, but you should have a working setup while we're putting together a solution.

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172

Thanks very much for looking into this.

I made the 4:00AM Hub Reboot Rule, but I'm no whiz at Rule Machine. Are the quotes around the log entry okay? The example did not have them.

As I noted, when I did a "safe restart" earlier from the Settings page, things remained slow. It's still fast as when I last posted about it, but at this point I'm not optimistic, lol.

FreeOSMemory is now 494424, so it's going down, if that means anything.

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There's a URL to show memory use since last reboot: /hub/advanced/freeOSMemoryHistory
But it's more of a curiosity in this case - there's plenty of free memory on the hub, and usage in general is pretty light.

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174

Thanks. This is what the last entry looks like:
2020-11-28 18:44:00,493468,244944,106468

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You can quickly test it by clicking the "Run Actions" button.

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That will run the actions - if your hub reboots, you're good.

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I see mine is getting pretty low every hour. Down to about 40 or 50 mb every hour.

Summary

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2020-11-27 00:39:56,545712,250084,80876
2020-11-27 00:44:55,528048,264952,113654
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You're getting down to half the freeos than what you started with. Again, for whatever that means.

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Didn't do anything. I'll fiddle with the log I guess.

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I use Ogewon's HTTP momentary switch and just call the switch in RM or whatever.

https://raw.githubusercontent.com/ogiewon/Hubitat/master/Drivers/http-momentary-switch.src/http-momentary-switch.groovy

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Use the push custom command

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Here's the rule in RM4.

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You should get something in your log like this when it's rebooting.

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Must be hourly database cleanup job. These numbers are just before garbage collector runs.
The hub tends to get to a steady state after about a day, and yes, memory drop-off right after startup is pretty steep.

Don't overthink it. That my job :slight_smile:

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Let me know if you need any help with getting it to work but that should be all you need to get it rebooting. The switch also gives you a quick way to do it from a dashboard, reboot from Alexa or Google also.

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I'm not getting anything when I try just the RM method.
I'll try ogewon's switch.

I don't know if it means anything, but putting 192.168.1.245:8080/hub/reboot into my browser directly just gives me an error.

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+1 for that app...super easy to set up a timed reboot.

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@velvetfoot If you have hub security enabled use the rebooter app @anon81541053 posted. If not I'd use the driver so you can call it from other stuff besides just a schedule. You could use both I guess if you don't have hub security so you get the best of both.

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What does rebooting do versus shutting down and pulling poser for a minute?