Will the UI ever get better?

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Yes, this. I tested a bunch of the other third party dashboards and found they were either worse than the built in dashboards or would be way to cumbersome to setup. I did not especially like any of them. I ended up just learning more about the HE dashboard and with a few custom device drivers and small amount of CSS I was able more easily do more, with HE.

Also tested exporting to Home Assistant and it was a bit of work to figure out what add-ons to get and how to use them but once you figure it out HA has really nailed the dashboard IMO.

I honestly don't use any of it myself, I was just exploring some options for someone else. I just have some super basic HE dashboards in case I need to access something quick that I have not shared to Apple HK.

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I concur with other posters. I aim to have a house that anticipates my needs and automates everything without me having to provide inputs. I turn on the TV it dims the lights. I walk into rooms it turns on the lights. It gets hot in a room and there is no one in there, the shades are lowered. I leave the house, it locks up. I walk downstairs in the morning and it adjusts the HVAC and turns on the lights if it needs to.

I also sprinkle a healthy set of Alexa commands in there with simple things like turning light groups on and off.

I do use Sharptools on a number of touchscreens. Very happy with the UI and capabilities. But to be honest the biggest use of the touchscreens is to look at the family photo album and to push the Go to Bed button when we turn in for the night. But the plan is to get a bed sensor and automate the go to bed as well.

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Does your family obey the Go to Bed button when pressed?

If they don't the lights all turn off on them after 30 minutes!

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I automate things - that's what we are doing here, but I'm different from a lot of you. I don't like to automate everything. I don't always want the lights to dim when I turn on the TV. I have different moods, what I feel like changes, sometimes my kids are in there working on something, there are so many variables, and things are just not so predictable around my house. I do like, and use my HD+ dashboard. I like that I can tell at a glance what is going on in the house, and a touch of a button can set off a convenient series of events. I get that this is an automation hobbiest forum and many enjoy predicting what one might want in a given situation and providing it automatically, but for me - I personally don't like to take it too far. To each his own - just thought I'd put my own thoughts out there - even if I am the only one here who feels this way.

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Nope, I do the same thing. I leave a lot with more manual control. Some rooms just the dim level is set by the time of day and otherwise manual. Dont really use dashboards though, most often use the physical switches or voice control.

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Your points are well taken, and I don't think many or hopefully any people here think there's only one path we can follow.

Everyone just has their own relative priorities for the different things that habitat team can do and I think everybody's been expressing those differing priorities really well.

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Two separate issues:

  1. Will the UI get better?
    I certainly hope so. I still run into instances on native HE apps where I have to click in the blank white space to get to the next screen. I've been conditioned to it so don't even notice it anymore, but the first time it happened I spent LITERALLY HOURS trying to figure out what I was doing wrong; I was soooo close to giving up on HE. However, I am multiple times more stubborn with myself than most other people, so I continued to search my issue until I came across a post that mentioned clicking into the white space to get to the next screen. By this point in HE maturity, all of these types of anomalies should be resolved. The next goal should be a more refined, polished and easier to navigate UI. For example, when clicking Save on device settings, why do I subsequently need to click Configure? Why can't save just do both?
    I believe the UI is still a barrier to entry and thus barrier to sales. When reviewers write articles about HE, it is difficult to show a single screenshot of how simple it is to set up an automation because it is not really that simple....once you figure it out, it is easy, but not simple.
    It is awesome that HE is powerful, but there should be a totally basic simple section with a clean, efficient & simple UI

  2. Dashboard
    Separate issue from UI.
    At the end of the day, the dashboard is how the non tech people of the household interact with HE (for those of us whose households cannot be 100% automated) and the impression people are left with.
    The look of the native dashboard is utterly incongruous with the capability of HE. Its like a 1980's ugly economy car with a 2023 electric car "under the hood." Hard to get the general public to look past their first impressions.
    I know there are community apps, but I'm hesitant to use something that could lose support at any time and thus may not be compatible with future HE upgrades.
    Reviewers who do not already use HE are not going to invest the time to research and find community apps; they are going to evaluate HE based on what is in the HE when they plug it in for the first time.

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This exactly. While my jam is to automate everything, some people have other priorities. And a swanky dashboard is necessary for some and makes for better "marketing" for all. After someone mentioned Home Assistant I started looking at their dashboard and got some serious envy there. Indeed they have put a lot of time, thought and effort into their offering. I think the built in gadgets for graphs and such would be amazing. And yes, I know someone is going to say influx/grafana or WebCore but I'm trying not to make this harder for me to support than it already is. It's a hobby, not a job. HA's dashboards might be worth standing up an HA instance for. Might.

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I must admit that I only use the UI when I’m configuring automations and to occasionally view my weather dashboard.

My only complaint is that Dashboards are a little slow to load pages. This is minor tho. My family rarely needs to use a dashboard or interact with a dashboard or UI. After all, that’s kind of the point of “home automation” IMO.

Our only frequent everyday use for a UI is opening and closing the garage door. And that gets done via Apple HomeKit or by CarPlay

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As a new c8 owner; When i started to create a app, i was a little lost. There are 3 issues in my chrome browser on my PC.

  1. done button was off the page below the end of the monitor. I needed to scroll the browser.
  2. The next step will not show if clicked out of a tag element. You must click tab to show the next step.
  3. The elements were so far apart. "Fisher price" looking.

When i used chrome on my tablet, all looked very nice.

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I think being a little lost is normal for any new device. I came from a totally different platform and was also confused initially. But once you learn the basics, it’s very straightforward.

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ok. gotta ask. how do you open the garage via CarPlay? I want to do this, but Home is not an app on CarPlay. What kind of sorcery are you using? :smiley:

It’s easy, setup Siri Shortcuts and then it shows up on the CarPlay Dashboard when you are in range of your house.

Betraying my stupidity here... How do you setup these shortcuts? Can't seem to control devices in Home via the Shortcuts app. And google failed me here. And yes, I can say "Siri Open My Garage Door" and that works. So just getting it into a shortcut that appears on CarPlay is my issue.

I've avoided (responding to) this topic for a while now... Sigh.... And mistanely posted this before I had finished.... Arrrgghh...

I also tend to write a lot, so chose to use the Summary / Detail option (from the start)... So choose your own adventure....

I am not a machine... I can't automate *all* of my life...

I subscribe to the view that while plenty of my home-life can be automated, including much of my lighting and entertainment requirements, these do not always fit within a regular or detectable pattern that suits an automation platform like HE, which can require engagement with the platform in some form. There can be plenty of occasions where I want a certain setting that is entirely spontaneous and not something I could automate or am interested in doing so. So I need some method to interact with my smart home, which I still want to be smart in how it responds. In many of these situations I personally want a physical button or device to initiate these changes in the home state, such as a Hue Dimmer, Hue Tap Dial or Samsung Button (choose your preferred plastic toy). When these don't offer the rich experience of options I need, then a dashboard or app are my choice, including the Hubitat App, Philips Hue App, Bond, as well as monitoring via Solar Edge, SensorPush and others.

I don't use dashboards... I want to... But it's hard....

May be slightly controversial... at least in my head. If I was pulled before a court I could not say I use HE dashboards or any dashboard really, regardless of my involvement in this space. I have a Home Assistant Dashboard displayed on a tablet mounted on the side of my fridge, but rarely interact with it. My main gripe with it is that I have not developed various status elements I had in a HE dashboard I developed and documented in detail here, displaying the current date/time, current / forecasted weather, plus other status elements like whether I have washing currently on or dehumidifiers running. One day I will re-implement something like this, but currently it is too much of an effort, even for me...

The UI is not just dashboards.... People use other parts of HE and expect simialr standards to other apps they use...

If I make the big leap from those who are non-techincal, using dashboards carefully crafted by people (apart from me), then they are less likely, in my opinion, to engage in the smart elements of a smart home if they are hard to interact with, if only in their opinion, which is likely guided by their own experience with other apps or platforms they use. Given I am a very technical person in my day-job, I can appreciate the view that what we do is difficult, to do it you need a certain level of knowledge. But there comes a point that, if you want others with less technical backgrounds to also enjoy the power of what we enjoy, you need to make it more accessible. I guess what I am getting at is that we (in this thread I expect) may have lower standards of what we see as acceptable and functional, but others do not always view a "so called convenience" in the same way. The UI, for them, needs to be more accessible and with an easier entry-point. To put a positive spin in this space, I was particularly encouraged by the introduction of simplified apps in HE over the last 1-2 years with accompanying video tutorials, this is the kind of tailoring to particular user experience that is needed in this space.

I should probably stop... :slight_smile: I think there is plenty HE have done in a positive direction in this space in recent time.... Dashboards are not the only UI consideration, there are improvements in other areas of the interface that need equal attention, imho.... But it is something I hope will start to gain prominence and attention in the near future.

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Simple:

I have a virtual garage door opener device that I added to the Home app with Homebridge.

IIRC, it started to show up in CarPlay on its own as long as I have the “split screen” app view open.

That’s just an example photo from Google images, but CarPlay automatically shows my garage door in the lower right hand spot when I turn the car on while close to my house, or when I’m driving home and get within a mile or so. When farther away from home, that tile reverts to Apple Music.

This might be a configurable behavior in CarPlay settings, but I’ve never really looked into it.

You got me interested in this one. I do have sensors on the garage doors to tell if they are open or close. I also have the sensors to prevent them closing if there is something underneath. I know there are a couple of options for automating the opening/closing - what did you use? I would like to have the Siri open the garage door! Thanks.

Looks like I better head off soon, to try and avoid the traffic in NY... :wink: ... Tomorrow...

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