@rlithgow1 thanks for the comments.
the main item i'm having issues with is the Fibaro Universal Sensor. i just get errors in my log
Managed to get my "old" dual relay boiler controller working with a dual socket device driver-
Some of the z-wave (not z-wave PLUS) devices require a "refresh" to attain their current state. As i learn and find out these little "fixes" i'm getting closer to where i want to be.