SmartThings: The End is Near

[cdikland]

Well, for me the end was somewhere 2 years ago. Each day since I am grateful I found Hubitat. The only thing I have left on ST is a fridge (which will stay) and 12 virtual temperature sensors with my own custom DH. These sensors (and the app that remotely updates them) will probably stop working end of this year or shortly afterwards. Only reason I kept them this long, for reasons I don't know, ST is the only platform I am able to integrate these devices with Google Home and ask, "Hey Google, what is the office humidity?". Aside from that, ST can drop off the edge of the world for all I care. I already found an alternative work-around for temperature using HA.

So, what about everyone else? Do you still have custom ST devices/apps and if so what are you going to do with them?

[markbellkosel84]

One TV, kitchen refrigerator, dishwasher, and range are all ST. For those kinds of devices I still like the clean interface. I have the info coming into HE with an API integration which is not relying on groovy on the ST side. That being said, I agree, SmartThings could go away and I would not bat an eye. It's not that I hate it, I just don't have an actual need for it anymore. Once you become aware of and get comfortable with the alternative it becomes mind boggling why anyone would cling to it, as I have personally experienced some still doing.

[oldcomputerwiz]

@cdikland

I don't know, ST is the only platform I am able to integrate these devices with Google Home and ask, "Hey Google, what is the office humidity?".

There is a community maintained Google Home integration that should allow you to integrate these temp sensors with HE. I looked into it myself but decided it was more work than I was willing to do to get my temp sensors integrated into HE so I just set up a dashboard.

[Alpha] Community-maintained Google Home integration

I've been transitioning over to Google Assistant from Alexa for a while now, and one of the biggest problems I had was the fact that the Hubitat integration with Google Home reported all of my window blinds and ceiling fans as lights. I got annoyed enough with it that I decided to write my own integration between the two. This is a very highly customizable integration that allows the user to define how each device type appears to Google Home and how Google Home commands map to Hubitat comman…

[JustinL]

I’m going to lose the ability for my Logitech Harmony remotes to control my theater lights. Big bummer. Probably going to have to hack it somehow with Phillips Hue lights or something else. Wish Logitech had added other integrations before giving up on their Harmony products.

[coreystup]

@JustinL

I’m going to lose the ability for my Logitech Harmony remotes to control my theater lights.

Plug for my project to solve your issue.

Alpha testers wanted! Driver to "mirror" devices between Hubitat and SmartThings Edge

Mira is a new driver for SmartThings Edge that will allow Hubitat devices to be "mirrored" back to the Edge environment. It's now stable enough for alpha testers to help test and who are willing to share their results. What it does Allows for the mirroring of certain device types that are owned by Hubitat to be mirrored to virtual devices in SmartThings. The device creation is only one way (real devices in SmartThings aren’t reflected back in Hubitat) but control and updates are bidirectiona…

[JustinL]

Sweet! Thanks for sharing! There’s hope!

[danabw]

Really only have it around for very occasional FW updates on devices that HE doesn't do (just updated a Zigbee thermostat) and because of the Ring integration that it had/has, which ironically I really don't really use any more. Maybe the real reason I still have it is I'm too lazy to do anything about it.

[cdikland]

@oldcomputerwiz

There is a community maintained Google Home integration that should allow you to integrate these temp sensors with HE.

These (simple) sensors are already part of Hubitat. I use the same app on Hubitat and ST to update each sensor. The problem is that these identical sensors/DH on Hubitat wil not link Google using the Hubitat Google Home app. I can link the ST app and they work ok. I can link HA, which has ST integration and they work awesome.

[jtp10181]

@cdikland

wil not link Google using the Hubitat Google Home app

Thats why they suggested to use the Community Google Home app, it has much more features and device types supported than the built in one.

[coreystup]

@cdikland

The problem is that these identical sensors/DH on Hubitat wil not link Google using the Hubitat Google Home app.

Another plug for my project I linked above.

You could tie your sensors to HE with your custom handler as you have now. Then mirror them as virtual sensors over to ST. Then share those virtuals on ST with Google Home.

I'm just looking for use cases where Mira can help.

[cdikland]

@coreystup

You could tie your sensors to HE with your custom handler as you have now. Then mirror them as virtual sensors over to ST. Then share those virtuals on ST with Google Home.

Well that sounds interesting. I will have to look into this in the new year. (my wife wont let me play with Hubitat during the holidays. Humbug!!!)

My plans were to use the Hubitat virtual thermostat DH. This works for temp but not RH.

[coreystup]

@cdikland

Well that sounds interesting. I will have to look into this in the new year.

If you try it, let me know if there is a use case that Mira doesn't provide as a sensor type. (like just RH without temperature). I'm trying to cover the most common patterns of sensors that HE users tend to have.

[silverton38]

I wish they would bring the product back. It is still the best remote system out there.

[danabw]

@coreystup

Plug for my project to solve your issue.

Can you describe how your project would resolve the loss of control over lights from the Harmony remote? Please pretend I'm a little slow and make it simple for me.

[coreystup]

@danabw

describe how your project would resolve the loss of control over lights from the Harmony remote?

I made some assumptions:

• ST has support for the Harmony remote
• Your lights are controlled (or can be moved over) by Hubitat

Mira can "mirror" your HE lights back over to ST as virtual lights. Use ST routines to bind your Harmony buttons to actions to turn on/off the virtual lights, which will forward the changes onto HE.

[bthrock]

@JustinL

I’m going to lose the ability for my Logitech Harmony remotes to control my theater lights.

I'll offer another option here:

[BETA] HubiThings Replica

Announcing a Beta solution release to allow real-time bi-direction updates between Hubitat and SmartThings using the SmartThings OAuth Cloud API. Includes the ability to have multiple locations and multiple hubs replicated to your Hubitat hub. This solution requires a high degree of understanding of both Hubitat and SmartThings. The original design was to mirror the few devices I have left in the SmartThings to Hubitat in a real time fashion, but grew into a full project thanks to @Alwas, @bthr…

[danabw]

@coreystup

ST has support for the Harmony remote

I thought this was what was dying w/the end of groovy...so the part of the Harmony integration from @ogiewon that relies on ST will no longer work. Maybe I misunderstood? @JustinL - that's what you're referring to, right?

[aaiyar]

@danabw

so the part of the Harmony integration from @ogiewon that relies on ST will no longer work

?

Does any part of @ogiewon's Harmony integration require ST?

[danabw]

The control of lights part:

ogiewon/Hubitat/blob/master/Drivers/logitech-harmony-hub-parent.src/README.md

See the "Home Control Button Support section.

[coreystup]

@danabw

I thought this was what was dying w/the end of groovy...so the part of the Harmony integration from @ogiewon that relies on ST will no longer work.

The old Groovy integration will definitely end. I assumed you had migrated the remote already to Edge vs something on Hubitat. [EDGE DEVICE] Simple Harmony Bridge **Alpha Testing** - Community Created Device Types - SmartThings Community