They were recently on the Home:On Podcast talking about it.
I too am not thrilled with the $99 subscription. I could maybe over look it if I could get access to the API and integrate it into HE. But I don’t want to fork the money to find out I can’t or that it’s limited.
I'm looking at water guru. Would like integration. Any idea if it could be done?
They don’t advertise an api so hard to say
For that price I would get an older Neptune Systems Apex Classic or their current model. Used ones show up on eBay often enough and they come with Temp and pH sensors, plus you could add more in.
Did anyone find if an API exists?
I checked around a bit but have not seen any sign of a public API for it. They must have SOMETHING it is reporting to and pulling data from but they are not talking about it (like most companies nowadays unfortunately).
Going to email them and ask... although the "email us" link at the bottom of their page does not have a populated email field, so I am sending it as a support request on their webform.
Curious, did they reply?
As of 5/26/2021 @ 6:52am EST... nope. No reply. I checked my junk mail and spam folders just in case.
Any reply from them? Wondering if there is a local api via tcp.
I would actually buy one of those to try out (even though I think it is over priced) if it had a published API of some kind to use for 3rd party integrations.
But no API = no sale for me.
No response from them at all. So my response for people would still be to get a used Neptune Systems Apex and whatever probes you want for that. Little more "messy" but it works on it's own, can control stuff as needed (with outlets), and can be monitored by Hubitat.
Has anyone ordered one of these and attempted to reverse engineer the app? I may get one. Coupon code POOLFUN will take $75 off until end of aug. consumables run $50 for 6 months (if you get the 3 pack for $50).
At risk of sounding flippant, I would think that a solid grasp of pool chemistry would be a prerequisite to trying to "automate" something that can be very stable with the right gear. I would spend money on a salt water generator, rather than "automation" gear that may not survive the (inevitable) shutdown of the start-up's "cloud servers" when they fail to get bought by Google, and fail to attract a third round of funding.
I have one of these beasties. It breaks salt down into Chlorine, with water pumped over electrodes after the filter. With this in place, the pool needs at most monthly intervention to tweak pH (I add some 20 Mule Team Borax) and I do a brief "shock" of the pool to bring the free chlorine level up to about 10 ppm for a few days in late July, just to nip any hot-weather algae in the bud.
My CYA level is 60 to 70, and I set this as early as possible with "stabilizer", my salt level is tested by the local pool store, as test strips are wildly unreliable (but the salt never goes away as water evaporates and is added, so only draining the pool can reduce salt - backwashing the sand filter has no significant effect). I do pH checks and Free Chlorine/Combined Chlorine tests every other day, but they simply do not vary enough to worry about it. My Free Chlorine stays between 4 and 7, my combine chlorine never exceeds 0.5 (shells from the safflower and sunflower bird feeders get blown in the pool), and the pH varies from 7.2 to 7.8 as I add Borax to raise the level, and "acid rain" slowly lowers it.
Yes, I could instrument the pool, and work up a set of automation rules to vary the hours that the filter pump and the salt-water generator run based upon readings, but the built-in timers on both the pump and the generator are sufficient, and they autonomously "do their thing", and the pool stays "in spec" all by itself. Of course, we have no kids in the pool, so the "biological load" presented by bathers is negligible.
I just want to know ph/chlorine without having to walk out and test it. Maybe add an alert if I leave the house and ph or chlorine is wrong, remind me to go buy more? I’m not trying to automate dispensing, just trying to evade the nagging “have you checked the pool”
So I have one of these and have an account. The data is in AWS and authentication happens via cognito and involves some AWS4Auth calls to access the lambda functions that return the json for the app (and webapp). Yes, there is a webapp (WaterGuru). I’ve gotten as far as I can in python trying to get the data out, but running into some authentication errors. Be glad to share what I have if someone has done this kind of exercise before; I’m also willing to share my account if someone wants to give it a go.
Spent my week off reverse engineering this and now have a rough WaterGuru integration written [RELEASE] WaterGuru Pool Integration. It does require a python app being run because the auth routines are pretty complex, and I don't believe Hubitat has whitelisted the native AWS libs for us to use. Either way, it works for me and that's who I was building it for.
It’s all a moot point
PHIN service by Hayward Pool has ceased operations and the servers will shut down on 12/20/2021
Then again someone might want to write an App that would allow continued Bluetooth operations that don’t need the corporate cloud
And that's exactly why I (usually) don't buy devices that only report back to a proprietary cloud portal..
If they would have made it report back to mqtt or something generic, the device would live on...
Eff them and their proprietary cloud crap.
Disclaimer: I'm not a pool owner and so I have no horse in this. Just thought I would post here in case it helps someone that does have a pool.
I knew I remembered a conversation about sensing pool pH. Here's a way to do it for very low cost and bring that into HA. You could then make actionable notifications in HE using one of the two integration. Probably HE -> HA with virtual switches and HA automations would work best.
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