SINOPE Thermostats 15% off plus savings from BC Hydro

Sebastien · October 15, 2021, 11:05pm

Using the following driver:
https://github.com/kris2k2/hubitat/drivers/kris2k2-Sinope-TH112XZB.groovy

I have this rule:

If I was to re-create it, I would change the following:

Trigger:
Motion Active instead of Changed

Actions I would remove what I have and make it:
displayOn()
Wait for Motion Stop
displayOff()

the-leafs · October 15, 2021, 11:16pm

thanks for the example I will experiment a wee bit and see how it goes.

Cheers
Bob

velvetfoot · October 17, 2021, 2:18am

They've been talking about a zigbee propane tank level gauge for months. I'm skeptical it will ever become reality. (I have a wifi unit from Tank Utility, which has been working well, but would prefer to not depend on web, plus better battery life, I imagine).

rlithgow1 · October 20, 2021, 7:24pm

I use one for my heated floor in my bathroom. They're a great thermostat...Attractive too.

gwydionjhr · November 23, 2021, 10:06pm

The link to the driver is "not found".

Do you know if it includes an Energy Usage calculation? I miss that feature from the older Neviweb GT125 and was looking to see if I could recreate it on a Hubitat dashboard.

Sebastien · November 23, 2021, 10:44pm

Try this one. It has a few more features including energy monitoring and the ability to turn on the clock (sometimes, it will turn off for whatever reason…)

github.com

sacua/hubitat/blob/main/TH112xZB_Sinope_Thermostat_EnergyMerter.groovy

/**
 *  Sinope TH1123ZB, TH1124ZB Device Driver for Hubitat
 *  Source: https://github.com/sacua/hubitat/blob/main/TH112xZB_Sinope_Thermostat_EnergyMerter.groovy
 *
 *  Code derived from Sinope's SmartThing thermostat for their Zigbee protocol requirements and from the driver of scoulombe79 and kris2k2
 *  Source: https://support.sinopetech.com/en/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2019/08/Sinope-Technologies-Zigbee-Thermostat-V.1.0.0-SVN-547-1.txt
 *  Source: https://github.com/scoulombe79/Hubitat/blob/master/Drivers/Thermostat-Sinope-TH1123ZB.groovy
 *  Source: https://github.com/kris2k2/hubitat/blob/master/drivers/kris2k2-Sinope-TH112XZB.groovy
 *
 *  Licensed under the Apache License, Version 2.0 (the "License"); you may not use this file except
 *  in compliance with the License. You may obtain a copy of the License at:
 *
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 *
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the-leafs · November 24, 2021, 12:01am

Sebastien, I like that driver but the only issue I had with it was that when using it with sharptools if I changed the temp at the front plate of the thermostat it would not reflect the change on sharptools.
Had to go to a different driver, only temp until I get better at making HE dashboard items, I really need to find the time to do that, anyone got some spare hours you're not using, i seem to keep running short.

Sebastien · November 24, 2021, 12:11am

Have you tried working with @josh on the issue?

the-leafs · November 24, 2021, 12:17am

Well yes I have and here is the link to convo
Sinope TH1123ZB not updating sharptools - #4 by the-leafs

well at least my last comments on the three drivers I used and the results, further up the tree josh opined that it could be the attribute that is used in the single height tile in Sharptools.

gwydionjhr · November 24, 2021, 1:13am

Thanks Sebastien! That actually also seemed to fix another issue I had with the stock driver, in that I couldn't get a Rule to switch the T-Stats to "Off"

One quick question. Do you know how it's calculating the $$$ for the energy used? The old Neviweb was awesome in that it automatically sensed the size (in Watts) of each baseboard. Is this one doing something similar, or is it just treating each one as 4000W?

Sebastien · November 24, 2021, 1:58am

That’s a very good question! I assumed that it automatically sensed the energy use and converted to the correct $ amount, but can’t say for sure…

gwydionjhr · November 24, 2021, 6:05pm

I guess I'd have to go dig around in the ST forums to find out, eh?

FWIW, my T-Stats are WAY less chatty with the new drivers. If they were heating using the old drivers I'd see a "T-Stat X is heating" about every 7 seconds in the logs. With the new ones... totally quiet unless they're moving from one state to another.

nclark · November 24, 2021, 6:16pm

Keep an eye here but I beleive the global sh!t we are all in has delayed things!

gwydionjhr · November 25, 2021, 7:37pm

Any idea if the Energy Meter amount could be expressed with a "$" figure?

Sebastien · November 25, 2021, 10:32pm

Maybe the driver’s author @samuel.c.auclair might know…

samuel.c.auclair · November 26, 2021, 1:19am

@gwydionjhr, the actual driver have the capabitility energy meter which is expressed in kWh. That energy is calculated at the driver level and not the device level. The driver pulls relatively frequently the power data in order to estimate the energy consumed by the thermostat. I assume Sinope does the same with their platform (except if the thermostats have an integrated energy meter but Sinope keep it only for their platform).

Then, in the driver preference you can define the cost / kWh which depends on your electricity provider. Once that is define their is an attribute cost calculated from the cost defined in the preference and the energy calculated. That estimated cost can be acessible in the dashboard with the attribute tile.

samuel.c.auclair · November 26, 2021, 1:21am

I will look into it, I belive I know what it is causing this.

gwydionjhr · November 26, 2021, 5:28am

Right, it's the Estimated Cost I'd like to see displayed on the tile. I'm guessing it would have to be as a Text Attribute, or Variable Number Attribute?

samuel.c.auclair · November 26, 2021, 12:04pm

Variable number

the-leafs · February 9, 2022, 9:05pm

Hello all,
Refreshing this post as I have recently been in contact with Sinope customer support on a couple of issues. the first was a lock out of the buttons on one of the thermostats, they pointed me in the correct direction, which was find my reading glasses as I didn't note the "lock" indicator on the display.
The other issue was if I could get firmware files to upgrade the FW, if required. I was informed that the only way to get FW updates is to have their hub or send them back to them and they will do it in the factory.

I suspect this is due to the possibility that the end user could brick their thermostat and then they have to deal with the calls and emails ranting about how the FW broke the Thermostat. I am sure they could place a button on the FW d/l page that indicates you accept the risks of doing this yourself (I know just like the User Agreements we all just click "agreed" on and don't read).

I am a proponent of these thermostats but a little less so now that I am aware of this restriction. I thought I would just let others know in case you are in the market. I am also curious if Sinope will have a firmware update that will address anything to do with MATTER or will MATTER even affect these units when it hits the street (e.g. security).

I was informed that on Zigbee the hacker would first hack your hub then move to the devices if they wanted yet, from research on line, it is possible to hack a device and use that as the entry point into your hub and then further downstream.

any hooooo there you go.