Off-topic rant about security

Maybe I am misunderstanding something but it seems to me that security and convenience absolutely go together. The more inconvenient the security scheme the more dangerous workarounds will be done by the users thereby reducing security and/or reducing productivity (or WAF/PAF).

You do have to balance convenience with security in order to accomplish your goals otherwise how would you be able to implement anything in a relatively safe but useful way? Seems like convenience is/should be an important security consideration.

In this case unsecured Z-Wave doesn't seem like a big issue given the various factors already discussed. Although a (weak) counter argument is it is still a potential 'vector' that could be exploited.. but whats the cost/reward benefit?

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You do a risk assessment then you spend your time and money accordingly.

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Although the problem is it is a never ending process not a fixed decision. In a perfect world (haha) the more critical the security the more frequent the review...

This brings to mind a favorite saying from an old friend about threat assessments...

"You don't need an armed guard to secure a candy bar"

RIP Carlo

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Even if it’s a 100 Grand?

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No but for chocolate chip cookies on the other hand.... :gun::cookie::policeman:

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Probably my favorite candy bar!!!

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I feel sorry for you if you actually got in. My system monitors attacks and honeypot will actually cripple your device and infect your network with some pretty nasty stuff.

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Spaghetti isn’t Italian?

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He's in the UK you know... that could be considered an act of war. :slight_smile:

Malicious honeypots are pretty common. Imo, if your good enough to get in my network you're probably good enough to realize what just happened once you got in and probably won't try again.

This topic is a honeypot for disastrous interactions between users. As such, it's time to close it. Any future topics that are off-topic rants about security will similarly be closed.

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