What is it NOW Dana?????
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Z-wave Long Range (LR) changes the equation!
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And also, zigbee sucks. 
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Thatās funny. I would say the exact opposite. My vote is stick with z-wave - pricier but for a reasonā¦. Whether that reason is worth the cost is up to the end user.
Admittedly though I do have 3 zigbee leak sensors in close proximity to my hub. The reason? $10 total for all 3 on Ali.
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have you ever had a ghost you had to remove ? OR a z-wave device freak out ? OR Had to replace a device ? OR a bad or noisier power supply that freaked out z-wave ?
If not .. your a lucky guy ! ( I have and is no fun ! )
In reality not one of these problems is a problem with ZigBee.
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- Not in years, literally.
- Not in years, literally.
- Yes, using the Replace function on the Z-Wave Details tab...has generally worked w/out issue for me, and the few times it didn't cooperate, I just joined the new device and did a Swap Apps Device to do the replace
- Nope.
Important to remember that HA is very much a YMMV/personal experience, even w/folks using the same hub and same devices, one person's "Oh Noes!!" is another's "Smooth as silk."
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You are 100% correct .. every ones system is different.
But after reading 10000's of posts here, I would say 90% of problems with z-wave.
I never see many posts about zigbee ghosts, problems replacing zigbee stuff.
Anyway .. Listen do not listen I have said my peace. I find zigbee way easier in everyway.
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I second all of thisā¦ but Iāve been in the z wave world going on 15 years, so yes, YMMV. And admittedly when I set up my Hubitat back in February, I ended up with a few ghost nodes as a result of incomplete inclusion. Once I noticed that, I spent the next night starting over and making sure each node completed the inclusion process before moving to the next one. A 12 pack of beers and some AirPods got my 90 or so devices included by midnight that evening - but my z wave network has been bulletproof since.
Since I just jinxed myself, stay tuned for my get help post tomorrow morning.
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What I like about zwave is (fairly) rigid standards and alliance approval. I find comfort in that. I find zigbee to have been sloppy over the years - and trust me, I still have to deal with my parentsā flaky old control4 zigbee remotes all the time. ZAP coordinators - argh!!! I will admit C4 made major improvements about 15 years ago with their 2.0 version - unfortunately, that was several months (and a couple hundred thousand dollars spent) after my parents finished building their house and the company that installed their C4 system filed for bankruptcy.
I know zigbee has come a long way since then, but I feel like the standards compliance is still all over the place.
But thatās just me. To each his own - with no offense intended or taken. 
Edit: To your point, I feel like new zwave users should be warned about the importance of building a clean zwave network. Kind of like Iād like a little heads up before meeting an astonishingly tall client.
Lutron for the win!
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That's kinda cheatin'. 
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Am I all alone in having a lot of both Z-wave and Zigbee and really not having major issues with either? A few Zigbee devices far from the old hub location were touchy until I moved some repeaters around. I ended up buying a z-stick to deal with a stubborn Z-wave ghost... but as far as I could tell the ghost wasn't really impacting my other devices. I just didn't like looking at it.
I am partial to the Z-wave graph over the Zigbee graph... it's impossible to read... but it looks almost 3-D, and that has to count for something
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I have alot of both at two locations, but most of my lighting is Lutron Caseta dimmers and picos, however we never use the dimmers or picos as it is all automated.
After adjusting my hubs' (C8-Pro and C7) distribution of Zigbee devices (moved a little less than half of my Zigbee 130-ish devices from my C8 to C7) I've been stable on both Z-Wave and Zigbee.
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Nope, not alone. One of the great things about a multi-protocol hub like Hubitat is you can make use of both depending on available devices and needs. Although there are considerations to build out an adequate mesh for each that need to be kept in mind.
No offense intended to @WarlockWeary but that figure (90% of device problems in forum threads are related to z-wave) sounds very exaggerated.
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Many have attributed 90% of the problems in the forum to listening to advice from me. That seems more likely.
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Now that I can believe.
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Bingo. Odd, but true.
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+1 for Z Wave - mine is solid. From what I've read on this forum:
- Zigbee handles more data
- Zigbee recovers/rebuilds faster in the event of a node failure
- Zigbee is faster
- Zigbee can do more hops
- Zigbee is easier to setup
- Zigbee is cheaper
However I still (primarily) use Z-Wave as in the UK it runs on 868MHz away from the 2.4GHz channels that WiFi uses. I'm aware that you can "set your router WiFi channel to 1, 6 or 11 and set your Hubitat Zigbee channel to ?" and that might be fine in some cases. I'm using Unifi in my small home and use WiFi channels 1, 6 & 11 across my three access points. What I cannot account for is how saturated the area is with my neighbours WiFi (some of them running 80MHz overlapping channels) and every car with a mobile hotspot that passes my house on the busy road outside.
I had several ghosts very early on when I didn't know what I was doing but that was all sorted very promptly with the help of the more experienced users on this forum. My system seems to be rock solid now. Of the 50 or so Z-Wave devices I have only about 6 are battery - the rest are repeaters.
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63 Lutron devices and counting... I don't mind cheating this way lol
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