Yep, that's what I was looking at! I'll play around once I have one.
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Looking at the updated Terms and Conditions of Use for the Hue developer API, I'm not sure MotionAware can be used on Hubitat:
It states in section 8.2 that:
MotionAware functionality shall only be allowed if (A) it solely relates to sensing for the purpose of controlling and/or automating the control of any products in or via the Philips Hue bridge and/or Philips Hue system; and (B) it is not a paid for element of an app or service; (iv) create a product, app or service that includes any security related functionality, including but not limited to intrusion detection, presence or event tracking, real-time surveillance, control of security devices, alarms, emergency responder dispatch and such other functionality to protect and monitor; and (v) permit others to do any of the foregoing.
(emphasis mine)
Pretty much all of these seem like dealbreakers for Hubitat, given that:
- it lets you automate more than just Hue lights and Philips only wants you to use it for this feature (point A), unless they mean it's OK if you include at least one Hue light; and
- if exposed as a motion or even "presence" device on Hubitat (possibly out per the above), there is no stopping someone from using it for Hubitat Safety Monitor or any similar automation (points iv and v)
Almost makes me wonder why they even bothered exposing it via the API, aside from allowing it to work with third-party Hue Bride management apps, I suppose.
(I do suspect many people won't read these and will try it anyway...)
It's very interesting that the documentation states that, when George Yianni (Founder and Head of Technology for Hue) says something very different on Reddit (see https://www.reddit.com/r/Hue/comments/1n9ajyi/comment/nclfgkv/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button).
I wonder what the functional difference is between a Motion Sensor and a Security Device? If the Founder is actively stating the he hopes Home Assistant picks it up, I would assume Hubitat would be included.
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Hmmm. That's good to see! This is a bit clearer in context, i.e., reading the whole section, where MotionAware is just a sub-point and then point (iv) relates to the API as a whole (not just this new feature), but that doesn't ease my confusion since it seems like we're back to the same issue. 
But then there's nothing Home Assistant couldn't do there, either...
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I think that language is simply protecting the licensed tech and not how Hue exposes the motion data.
That and Hue now has its paid security plans (Hue Secure). My guess is the language is not wanting others to use its license and develop a paid security service that competes with Hue Secure.
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Yep, that's my read of it too. For whatever that's worth 
Looks like the new Philips Hue Bridge Pro no longer supports the HomeKit communications protocol, from what I have read online. It appears that to directly connect the Hue Bridge Pro to Apple Home, one must use Matter to do so.
While I understand the decision, it is a little disappointing to lose this functionality, IMHO. 
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What do you think you are losing?
Do you still lose adaptive lighting if you connect via Matter?
Well, if I migrate from a Hue Bridge v2 to the Hue Bridge Pro, it sounds like I would need to re-integrate all of my Hue lamps with Apple Home. Is it the end of the world? No. Is Matter as robust and reliable as HomeKit? I don't know, yet. 
I just know they have taken away some functionality that is present in the old v2 bridge.
This grumpy old man doesn't like changes that affect things that are working perfectly fine. 
Thus, I will not be upgrading my Hue bridge any time soon. I am glad they released the Hue Bridge Pro, as many users have to use multiple Hue Bridges today. I only have about 10 Hue bulbs, and thus the old bridge suits me just fine. I just wanted to point out to other users that the HomeKit functionality has been replaced by Matter in the new bridge.
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Not sure? I think I have read elsewhere where adaptive lighting in Apple Home works with Matter now - but I am not 100% sure about that. 
Yea, in this case unless you want the motion stuff, wifi connectivity to the hub or felt like adding the security stuff there is little reason to upgrade.
I always approach infrastructure changes as opportunities to redeploy in better ways.
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No. Iām connected via Matter to Apple Home and have adaptive lighting available for my Hue bulbs.
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Does the need for the body causing a motion event to be positioned between bulbs make this capability unavailable for rooms w/only ceiling lights or high mounted wall sconces?
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Whole approach to me seems rather hooky to me. There are a lot of other things that can cause signal levels to change other than motion in a room. Seems better to just to get real motion detectors. Time will tell how reliable this really is?
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It might be a neat party trick, you approach a light and it changes colors, or turns on. But I can't see it being a reliable motion sensing like a real sensor is.
Maybe we are wrong though...
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Preliminary reports on reddit seem to indicate a rather slow response time on this motion feature, so (as it stands now anyway) it's probably not going to be useful for snappily turning lights on.
But for folks interested in leveraging it as more of a security tool to detect motion in general, it's likely a nice win.
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Even real motion and door detectors are occasionally not 100% reliable. That's why, for my empty houses, I have camera backup so I can remotely check on things/alerts before sh*t hits the fan.
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