You guys don't know the whole story. In fact none of us does, except the parties involved. Remember, you are only seeing one side of the story here.
I would be cautious about taking sides as we don't know why this happened. The ban might have been justified, or maybe not.
At the very least please be civil about this, and don't rehash old information as this thread might get closed if it goes too far off topic.
Wait...what did I miss
Wow... shocking. I spend a lot of time on this forum and didn't even see anything that led up to this.
Ok back on topic.
Still no sign of these T1 devices anywhere.
I have been (im)patiently waiting for these over a year now. Every couple of months I do the rounds on sites to check on them. My theory is that they are still trying to unload the previous generation devices before putting the new ones up for sale.. That is my hope at least.
I am looking at the new year with hope. Just waiting for Black Friday and Cyber Monday to pass seeing the old devices being offered one last time on discount before starting 2021 with T1 
So they are not available still ? There will be a life saver for us zigbee users
Hi,
I have the new AQARA M2 Hub, but I can not find the new temperature sensors WSDCGQ12LM anywhere. Any idea where to buy them? I tried Ali and Ebay but no lock, only older models available.
Hi,
my M2 Hub arrives on this friday. Groovy drivers? Which hub are you using and what does or does not do? I cant test anything, I can't get hands on the new T1 Zigbee 3.0 sensors, nobody sells them near me, nor ebay or ali. Any idea where to buy them and test it? Thx.
Are you a Tester or something like that? I am just wondering how did you get hands on the new Zigbee 3.0 sensors. Aaah I would like to test the new sensors, but yeap NO luck, I can't get them anywhere. I have the new M2 HUB, but no sensors to test... 
My M2 Hub should arrive on friday and it should be european version, so I guess global? I will check it after I receive it. Hmm what a luck I have the Hub, but no sensors. You have the sensors, but no hub 
Can you get the T1 notion sensors easily now ? Do they work direct and well with HE?
The older ones were a pain.
Not that I can find on Aliexpress - admittedly, I haven't looked for a couple months.
Can you bind them to a router (not coordinator)? If yes, can you bind it simultaneously to two routers (or to a coordinator and a router)? My dream is to have some redundancy in the network.
No - they will find their own pathway although if they are much further away from the hub they will most likely connect to the nearest router.
Short answer is no for any battery end devices.
Some ZigBee 3.0 products can be joined to the hub and binded together. But until Hubitat supports 3.0 fully it's a bit hit and miss with some limitations.
Can you give some examples of battery devices? The T1 sensors will not work natively with HE which is why you see everyone using the new Aqara M2 hub (or other solutions like zigbee2mqtt)
Huh?, what specific devices that are fully Zigbee 3.0 compliant that dont work with Hubitat are you talking about?
No it's not that. I'm talking about devices joining to the hub and working (which is what your talking about). Then joining the devices to each other aswell so the communicate directly not via the hub. Some devices ( all sunricher stuff and inner is what I have tried it on) are able to find and bind which then allows both local control and hub control. As i mentioned its a bit of a faff and a knack because it's not supported by the hub, but the devices support it so you have to trick the hub to rejoin and the devices to bind at the same time.
I'm assuming though that part of 3.0 spec is a way to do this easier.
Touch Link which is what you're talking about isn't a new Zigbee 3.0 thing, and I don't expect a 3.0 certified device to make that type of join any easier.
I don't beleive the spec is intended to support both concurrently, so i beleive hub support is irrelevant here as touch link is not something a coordinator is supposed to do in the first place.
No that's something else, with out the use of a hub, look for "find and bind" all the sunricher data sheets has it on. There is a number of things their devices I was able to do.
Possibly I don't know for sure, but as its connected to the green power stuff as well. Hence why I wondered if it would come into that part of the spec. Green power stuff is more than just the kinetic switches, seems almost like its a sub layer of coms between the devices?
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