Looking to move from Smartthings

This community is funny. I am a long time Smartthings User, who has finally thrown in the towel. My V2 hub is breaking all the time now with the 50+ devices I have connected and the various automation I have developed. I am now saying goodbye and plan to sell my hub. I don't look forward to redesigning a whole new environment, but this seems to be the only other developed alternative solution in town.

I still believe we are in an era of needing a hub to stitch together all the disparate Zwave, Zigbee, and Wifi devices. I also don't want to be subject to one Ecosystem (Google/Nest, Ring, etc..) Finally, although I like the concept, I feel the Home-Assistant is like most opensource things, needs a lot of work, and has stability problems.

My quest is to lift and shift my Smartthings attached devices to HE? Is there a list of integrations I can quickly look to further determine how much overlap I can take advantage of? Can someone please let me know what HE coding language is? Even though the standards are there, everyone add their unique twist. Do HE users have luck with connecting ST branded devices?

In addition, is the C7 hub a hardware upgrade, so regardless of availability, should I wait?

Finally, why are users upset if someone is selling it on eBay and getting more money than it is worth. I thought that was the whole point of eBay. You should see what above the ground pools are now going for on Craigslist (4x the original cost). If it doesn't affect you personally, then let it go. Focus on more important things in your life, rather than policing someone's capitalistic endeavors. Just my two cents on the 15+ non-related threads on this topic.

Thank you for your response and guidance ahead of time! I look forward to joining the Hubitat community.

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This community rarely gets off topic. Are oranges named after the color or is the color named after the fruit?

My understanding is that HE arose from ST. As a result a lot of the projects can be ported. There is also a community project called Hub Connect that lets you run multiple hubs - including ST. So you can keep everything connected to ST and start migrating as you are able. I have not used ST myself so I can't really provide any insight there.

If you want to code custom apps then those are done in Groovy. Even without writing custom apps there are already a lot of built in and community apps. Most people find all they need there. Take a look at the compatible devices list and determine if you have anything not on the list. Ask here if you have any devices you are unsure about. Somebody may have a solution that isn't on the official list.

Ask specific questions, start new threads, see what's here. The community has been extremely helpful.

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Wonderful. @lairdknox Thank you for your prompt response. Definitely seems that it is developed from ST now that you mention Groovy, which is the same language ST uses.

Excellent. Now I just need a hub, and not from eBay. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

Once this happens I look forward to collaborating with you all. Stay Safe and Sane!

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As a current ST user, you might be interested in this account of Hubitat's early history from one of Hubitat's principals.

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I'm a recent convert to Hubitat and here's my advice to you:

Don't try to lift and shift. You will have expectations of how things "should work" but really it's just the way SmartThings works.

You'll find the logic of Hubitat is way more straightforward and "simple" after you start playing around with it. (even though it will take some getting used to)

Pretty much any Zigbee or Z-Wave device will work out-of-the box. That includes SmartThings branded devices...they are just zigbee. Lots of WiFi devices will work too, but you'll have to often download a driver or app.

Best way to start is to

  1. Pick 2-3 of your non-critial devices.
  2. Un-Pair them from ST
  3. Pair them to HE
  4. Play with them for a few days until you have an idea of how you will set everything up in HE.
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Here is a list of officially compatible devices, though there are many other integrations that will work with community-developed apps and drivers:

https://docs.hubitat.com/index.php?title=List_of_Supported_Devices

Most (all?) ST branded devices I’m familiar with are zigbee and should work with hubitat just fine.

The only indication we have that the C7 hub even exists is from FCC filings. No announcements from hubitat, expected release date, etc. Personally I would not wait for this hub to be released if I were in the market for a Hubitat hub now.

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As a starting point...first read about the built-in apps. (simple lighting, Rule Machine, notifications, Amazon Echo, etc)

Then, install the app linked below. Someone @dman2306 wrote a package manager and a lot of the most popular and more mature apps/drivers have provided manifests. Once you install it you can browse that library. Definitely a good place to start.

Just realize that some of the apps provide functionality you could do yourself in "Rule Machine" if you preferred, but they might just be big time savers.

After that look in the Developers category on these forums for more and more niche stuff.

@aaiyar How funny. I remember bravenel in many of the early ST postings, and he was indeed a huge contributor to that community. When Rule Machine came out, it was an evolutionary step. Very interesting indeed. Thank you for sharing!

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Ty. Great Advice!

Watch the YouTube videos that show the capabilities of the built in apps. I moved over in April and found many of the things I had to jump through hoops to get working in ST (lots of virtual switches and automations), were already built into the apps that come with HE. I ran into a few issues moving 100+ devices and lots of rules but it's now nice that my system is up all day, every day. Anytime I work on it now it's because it's something I want to do, not because something quit working, again. My wife only complains about Google now, never Hubitat.

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Welcome to Hubitat!

Now, I don't want to scare you, but, I do want you to know that although on the surface HE and ST look very similar, there are some subtle but important differences in the design of each which leads to major operational differences.
A key point is the reliance on the cloud (ST) versus local execution(HE). In my humble opinion, this puts a much greater emphasis on the mesh (zwave or zigbee) in HE. What may have worked in ST may not work as well on HE and vice versa. Although, I'm sure that you will find that you can make anything that worked on ST, work on HE.
Furthermore, I'm sure that you will enjoy the more robust "rules" on HE than ST. This is a big difference and gives you unparalleled flexibility and control
Good luck, and welcome!

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