Kiwkset Lock - Zwave to Zigbee Conversion

Mind elucidating your choice in 'beaming' repeaters?

OK, so I'm not the guy you replied to, but I've been looking into this same issue myself and can offer some suggestions. Assuming you're in the US, easily available Z-Wave devices that support beaming include:

  • Aeon Smart Switch 6 (ZW096) or Smart Dimmer 6 (ZW099)
  • Zooz S2 Double Plug (ZEN25) and USB Smart Plug (ZEN06)
  • HomeSeer WS-100+, WS-200+, WD100+, and WD-200+ (pretty much all of their wired dimmers/switches)
  • Inovelli: They're pretty much all out of stock right now, but any switch/dimmer and outlet/plug I've checked does, and they're new enough that they probably had to support beaming to get certified
  • Zooz In-Wall Switch (ZEN21, ZEN23) and Dimmer (ZEN22, ZEN24)
  • GE In-Wall Smart Switch (14291/ZW4005), In-Wall Outlet (14288/ZW1002), Dual Plug (28173/ZW4104), and most similar newer GE plugs/switches/dimmers (probably not some older ones)
  • Zooz Power Strip v2 (ZEN20 VER. 2.0)
  • HomeSeer outdoor motion/floodlight sensor (HS-FLS100+)

...and many others, including the Aeotech Nano Switch and Nano Dimmer and pretty much any powered Z-Wave device (i.e., repeater) made in the last 3-4 years when it became a certification requirement. There are still some out that don't, possibly devices that can be either battery- or mains-powered (e.g., the new Aeotech Trisensor that doesn't support beaming). Note that the device doesn't even have to be Z-Wave Plus (I have an older "plain" Z-Wave Aeon plug that supports beaming, something I never thought to check at the time when I bought it), though you're probably less likely to find older devices that support it.

Your best bet is to view the "Conformance Statement" on the Z-Wave alliance site for your desired device, making sure that your model numbers/revisions match, and see if "Beaming" says "Yes": Catalog of Certified Z-Wave Products for U.S. / Canada / Mexico

Personally, I have a smart light switch (HS-WS200+) near my lock/door. I didn't really need a smart switch there, but it was prettier than a non-in-wall solution in that room. I also got the new ZEN25 outlet because it's on sale and has a better form factor than some other plugs I have; I hope to eventually replace all my Z-Wave repeaters with Plus devices that support beaming, but that may be going overboard. :slight_smile:

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Pretty sure EVERY non-battery GE/Jasco zwave plus device supports beaming.

If in doubt, look on the zwave alliance webpage, as that is one of the things a vendor has to report in the Z-Wave Protocol Implementation Conformance Statement .

If the alliance listing is accurate, I've got devices surrounding each lock (2 within 6" on each, in fact) that support Beaming, but the locks still suck and drop commands regularly. One more so than the other, frequently enough to be more than frustrating.

That is my issue too. I have tried working with support and thought maybe this is a zwave issue but can't prove anything. I have the same issue with both Kwikset 888 and Kwikset 910 devices. I have decided to invest in some Yale YRD110 locks to prove either Kwikset locks suck OR there really is an HE issue with secure zwave locks.

Interesting discovery today. I have 2 different kwikset zigbee modules - 1 works, the other will pair but only as a generic device. The generic one will not accept lock codes, etc, but will lock/unlock.

NOTE: The red one below apparently came out of a Control4 Kwikset lock. So it indeed may be different/have a different ID. Any hopes of getting that one working @bravenel @mike.maxwell or am I SOL?

Works:


Does not work / detected as generic device:


I had to re-install my zwave module after that zigbee module didn't work as desired. The module paired first try, while in door - I didn't even bother moving HE close. First time that has happened.

Send @mike.maxwell the fingerprint of the radio that didn't get picked up during discovery, he'll add the fingerprint and it'll work in the future.

Dopey question - where do I find the fingerprint?

Device Details on the device property page. The Data section.

I sent the screen shots to Mike. Might be out of luck on this one, though, everything in "data" is blank...

Oh! Well, that's not right.:face_with_raised_eyebrow:

I know that wouldn't be right for ZWAVE... I have no idea what an unrecognized ZIGBEE device should look like.

When you pair the device (Looking for Zigbee and Z-Wave devices window) , under the save button you can grab the fingerprint data from there. Try to pair it again.

Ok, that may have grabbed more info:

Manufacturer: Unknown Manufacturer
Product Name: Device
Model Number: Unknown Part Number
deviceTypeId: 19

manufacturer:null
address64bit:000D6F0001A7B9BD
address16bit:9D1C
model:null
basicAttributesInitialized:true
application:null
endpoints.01.manufacturer:null
endpoints.01.idAsInt:1
endpoints.01.inClusters:0000,00BD,0003,0101,000A
endpoints.01.endpointId:01
endpoints.01.profileId:0104
endpoints.01.application:null
endpoints.01.outClusters:null
endpoints.01.initialized:true
endpoints.01.model:null
endpoints.01.stage:4

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I've got the module in a 'less important' lock that we almost never use the key pad on. So it can sit there for now.

The 'generic' module WILL lock/unlock from HE, so it isn't all bad. But I can't add a key code to it... :confused:

Try switching the zigbee module to use the generic zigbee lock driver, if it works I'll add the fingerprint, if not you can blaim it on control4.
If it doesn't work it's very unlikely we will support the control4 zigbee lock module in the future.

It works in that it will lock and unlock, but that's it. It will not get or write codes.

It isn't that hard or expensive to just get the non-Control4 zigbee modules, so if it isn't something easy to add I wouldn't worry about it. The non-Control4 ones are usually findable for ~50-60 on eBay, and I know for sure that they work.

Sorry for the late reply @doug, I was trying to dig up the posts I had read through on the ST community. RBoy and several community members over there had actually tested a bunch of repeaters to see which ones worked best with locks. Not all beaming repeaters are created equal unfortunately. And worse of all: If there's a "bad" beaming repeater near your lock in addition to several "good" ones, the bad one can cause issues as the lock may try to choose it as it's primary routing node causing messages to get lost.

I ended up moving and/or replacing all of the "unknown quality" smart plugs and making sure there was only known "good" beaming repeater near each lock. I also found that while the Zooz in wall switches make good repeaters, they don't work well for locks that are at 0 degree angle to the lock: IE: Imagine if the switch is in the same wall as the door: The signal from the lock would have to travel entirely through solid material to reach the repeater: The solid core of the door, plus the door frame, plus any wall studs, wall insulation, etc. It might only be 18 inches away but given the amount of solid material involved the signal quality is going to suck.

So I made even if there was a repeating switch near the lock that I still added a repeater in a plug that could "see" the lock from where it was plugged in. (IE: signal could reach the lock without encountering any solid material whatsoever.) Plugs work well for this because they stick out of the wall and get excellent line of sight. The Zwave module is on the interior side of the door so I also made sure the repeaters were on the interior as well.

It took a couple months of moving things around, but it's rock solid now. Here's the post from RBoy that I based my repeater purchase decisions on:

In general the Zooz stuff appears to work very well for me. In wall switches as well as the smart outlets have all been working great as beaming repeaters for my locks.

-Jeremy

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I added an Aeotec outlet nearby my least reliable 910. It’s early but the results are very positive.