I suggest that HSM be listed at the top of the apps list

Smoke was detected tonight and it took too much scrolling to get to HSM and see what was going on.

Just a suggestion.


I agree. The number of clicks and screens it takes to address a leak alert is kinda nonsensical while everyone in the house is screaming "why are the lights still blue?"

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Better yet, let us rearrange the list as we see fit.


Or perhaps a top level "button" that the user can link to any screen / device / dashboard etc.

Maybe instead one should make a desktop shortcut to whatever you think might need fast access.

Why don't you have HSM tell you what is going on without having to open it? It can speak, it cat send notifications. You can have a Dashboard devoted to HSM related devices, to see at a glance what is going on.


For me it's not the notifications. Its clearing the HSM status that returns the lights back to normal.

Here's the workflow:
Click hubitat app
HE landing page
Click connect to hub
Add login info
Click login
Click apps
Click HSM
Click the alert to clear it

To me, that is an excessive amount of steps in a situation where one could be under duress (contact sensors in the middle of the night while asleep/CO2/flood sensor)

The lights are all...whatever
Alexa is repeating an alert however many seconds
I'm probably receiving a repeating text alert
Household members trying to figure out why the house is going crazy
Maybe there's a siren involved

Meanwhile I'm frantically trying to get through all the screens which take several seconds each just to clear the HSM.

I use HSM for flood and smoke/CO safety. I have always been reluctant to put contact/motion on HSM for the reasons above. With smoke/flood, the ends justifies the means and HOPEFULLY there are few false alerts.....as the housekeepers find a leak sensor and wipe it with a damp rag.

This can be done by a rule, and that rule can be fired by any number of methods, none of which require opening the app to do it. Including, Alexa, turn off 'Alarm Alerts' (where that is a virtual switch that triggers a rule, etc.). Lots of ways to do this.

All of the things you can do in the app can be done from a rule:

Automate it -- use the tools at hand.


I have that set up already. Every Echo in the house was announcing "Smoke detected at ...." and every light in the house turned on.

Yet, there did not appear to be any smoke. So what is Hubitat reporting? Is it a smoke detector failure? Random Hubitat quirkiness? Spider webs? I have to silence the alarm and turn off all of the lights so everyone can go back to sleep while I sort this out.

All the apps in front of HSM are not important now. So,

  1. Good point. Easy fix.
  2. We can't change the whole code just to deal with one user's pet peeve.
  3. It's not really a problem anyway if you look at it this way.
  4. ?

The web GUI is intended to be used primarily as an admin interface.

If you need to cancel an HSM alert, you can do it with a physical button, a virtual button and a dashboard tile, a virtual switch tied to Alexa/Google Home, there’s several options here (as @bravenel stated).

I’m not sure I completely understand what you’re describing here. Were your smoke detectors alarming? Or did you have HSM alerts for smoke going off despite the actual smoke detectors not alarming?

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I am not sure how you integrated your smoke alarms, but you usually have to press a button on the physical smoke alarm to silence it, kinda stuck with that requirement.

As far as needing to shut-off the lights, you can automate this. Make a list of all the lights you want to have come-on when the smoke detector goes into alarm state. Add these lights to a scene and call it something like "smoke detector scene", then create a rule that does the following:

  1. When the smoke alarm goes off, capture the current state of the scene (this captures which of your lights are on and which ones are off, just before the alarm went into alarm state).
  2. Turns on all the lights, that are associated with the scene created above.
  3. When the smoke detector stops alarming, have HE turn on the scene you created above, that puts the lights back into the state they were in immediately before your alarm went off.
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I guess I was aware all the pieces for this were in webcore (cancel HSM alerts) and I just never thought to put them together. I'm going to work on a verbal command to clear the HSM alerts, today.

or any one of several built-in apps :wink:.

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This is one time where having a keypad like the centralite 3400 is SUPER nice because you can enter a code, push the button and it all returns to normal (and you aren't risking someone else pushing the "STOP THE ALARM" button)

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I'm a ST convert and that means I came with webcore baggage. I just love it because it's so versatile and in a language I've already spent years learning. My preference is still to have webcore running all my rules🙂

I know webcore will be over for ST and it doesn't apply to HA. So if I ever leave HE, I will be forced to change.

FWIW, I've downloaded RM a 1/2 dozen times to do enough testing to make an informed decision going forward, but there's always something sexier to grab my attention.


I understand. I used WebCoRE (and rule machine) with ST, so I can see the appeal of it’s more visual style for some. It’s nice to have choices.

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Blame the smart home solver. If he hadn't opened his mouth about webcore, I never would've known about it​:laughing::rofl:

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