I have some questions about Hubitat: Bluetooth and Rules

So Teptron has left you on an island with no kind of bridge. Been there. Those products are dead to me. You don't want to go out to the cloud, so your best bet, and easier to implement is going to be Tasker on an Android phone. Or solder wires onto the buttons and control it with something like a Qubino Flush 2. Since it's three buttons (raise, lower and stop I'm assuming), then you'll need a Qubino Flush 1 as well. Where in the world are you, US, Canada, Europe, Australia, or other?

Are these roller blinds? How much do you have invested in this? Maybe you just want to get the IKEA Trådfri blinds when they come out in the fall. They will use Zigbee, so it's very likely that community and/or official drivers will be available not long after.

I'm seeing press releases that they are supposed to be out this week. Unless it's an April Fool's joke.

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They have been delayed until November because they didn't have the HomeKit integration worked out and I believe there was also some issue with Zigbee communication to their bridge they're still ironing out. So they didn't want to release blinds you could only control with a Zigbee button. Can't argue with that.

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So, in a way, it was an April Fool's joke! Thanks. These look really interesting and much more reasonably priced than the Lutron shades.

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Oh, no comparison in price. Serena shades just weren't in my future, but these might work if I can install two side by side and trim them to the custom length I'll need for that. They won't have one wide enough for the only window in my house I want to put a blockout shade in, so I'm either going to wait (probably) or put in two of them to fill the window. Probably will not do the latter though.

I may be luckier. Based on the dimensions mentioned, these look to be just wide enough to take care of the two windows that I would really like to be able to cover. I need to look more closely at how it mounts to the frame. I suppose I will be heading down to Ikea later this year!

Discussion is not if Teptron is a good product and servicelevel or not.
I want to know if HE is a good product and their service.

Most of us who are active on the forums think Hubitat is a great product. :slight_smile: However, it is primarily a Z-Wave and Zigbee "hub" (with support for the occasional LAN and cloud device). Bluetooth home automation devices rarely work beyond the confines of their manufacturer's app; some manufacturers have responded to this limitation by releasing Wi-Fi or wired "bridges." In some cases, you can work around these limitations if the device also supports HomeKit (unofficially), IFTTT, or if you can find a platform like Home Assistant (has lots of reverse-engineered and unofficial integrations) and integrate that into Hubitat via MQTT (unofficially). I don't know enough about the specific product you're asking about to say for sure if any of these are options for you.

But, yes, I indeed think Hubitat is a great product. Some home automation devices just aren't. :slight_smile:

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You are happy with your Teptron purchase. That's understood. You won't find bluetooth support on Hubitat, at least not any time soon that I can imagine. Bluetooth products that use simple phone operation just are not a popular choice for a platform that is designed for automation.

In regard to HE being a good product. Yes it is. It's a young product and evolving rapidly. The support and staff are excellent, but it's a small team at this time, so patience is key. They are working like mad to improve an already great platform. But a Samsung scale budget and staffing isn't what you'll find here. It cannot and should not be expected that they can add every feature or support for every products asked for. They need to keep their eye on the ball, so Zigbee, Z-Wave and IP is the right choice, since the majority of the HA devices use those three at this time. The future may look different, but for now you'll need to bridge the gap.

The sooner everyone embraces the current reality that you simply need bridges, and sometimes additional hubs at this stage of home automation, the faster they'll be able to create the smart home they always wanted. Professionals don't even blink at multiple hubs and bridges to get the job done. Some HA platforms are designed around a distributed architecture, where multiple bridges are completely normal.

I don't mind having local integration with other hubs, as long as primary automation occurs in the main hub that's fine to me. Like hue and lutron atm.

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Exactly, but you can also distribute the logic on HE too, and not lose speed or reliability because it's all local.

Yep especially for you multi hub crazy people.

I understand when people say they are satisfied with HE. And I even understand those who are not or less satisfied.
The HE is in my opinion similar like Homey. I recently pulled the plug out of Homey, no it was not because of using the BT was not really possible :slight_smile:, not even that making complex rules (flows) were less easy to make then they claimed to be at start up. They just decided that maniging the Homey was only possible through Android or IOS device. So they forced me to buy an extra device with IOS or Android as OS. I chose none and pulled the plug......

I'll keep reading here and wait longer to see what "path" HE turns.
Meanwhile I will start the struggle again with RPi.

I resemble that !!
:smiley:

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@Eric.C.Miller Do you have an example of only using motion sensors to detect presence? I wasn't able to find any code or use case...
I would like to use only motion sensors timeout setting to set the presence to away.

I would highly advise against this. One glaring problem with using this method is night time when you are asleep. It's possible to go for very long periods of time when there is no motion detected. Any timeout to go to Away mode for motion sensors would have to be so long as to make it almost useless if you are trying to use away mode to turn off lights, adjust thermostats or activate HSM (the security part of Hubitat). Would you want to be gone for an hour before having the security system armed?

I will be using it only to switch off the AC, and for the night time I'd set a time window.
It's just for an Airbnb let, to avoid the guests leaving the AC on...

Then you don't really need a presence device, you just need a motion timeout rule to turn the AC off. Something like this:

 Triggers: Motion sensors changing 

 
 ACTIONS: 
    If ALL motion sensors inactive THEN
        Delay actions for 1 hour (cancelable)
        Turn off AC
    Else
         Cancel Delayed actions
    End-IF

Something like that in RM should get you what you're after.

Awesome thanks also answered to your concerns in this other thread: Airbnb presence detection