I have some questions about Hubitat: Bluetooth and Rules


#21

About presence detection:
I want to know if family member is at home or is the house abandoned.
If there is a member at home, is someone still awake or all sleeping (home and awake or home and sleeping)
Main reason for this is alarmsystem.
GPS is inaccurate (geo fencefield is too big), wifi is not reliable because phone is asleep and we are awake. I know BT might be not reliable either.
I solved it now with wifi for home and awake mode, wallplug with powermeter when phone plugged in for home and asleep mode.


#22

What manufacturer? Maybe if you're specific somebody may have something to suggest.

And what other Bluetooth devices? Outside a few specific use cases (for example I have some Parrot Flower Power and Xiaomi MiFlora Sensors), BT is a horrible technology for Home Automation IMO. But perhaps you have some awesome BT devices that may make us all think differently?


#23

No BT to WiFi bridge? Is there Google Assistant support if they do have a bridge? If so there’s a way.

What brand and type of blinds? There might be options some us know about, but without the brand, we’re not going to be able to help as effectively.


#24

Can you identify a similar hub (SmartThings, Vera, HomeSeer, Wink, etc.) that works with arbitrary Bluetooth devices in a manner like you suggest? The SmartThings v2 hub had a BT radio that was never enabled, and I don't blame them. It would be quite difficult to create a Z-Wave- and Zigbee-like experience with Bluetooth due to wildly varying manufacturer implementations (Z-Wave, for example, is quite standardized at the application level).

If you're familiar with Switchmate, originally an "over the existing switch"-type Bluetooth smart switch (think the RealitySwitch or Ecolink TLS-ZWAVE5 but Bluetooth), pretty much any effort done to use it in other home automation platforms has to be done by reverse-engineering and at the mercy of firmware upgrades that might change things--see the issues this project had for a while: https://github.com/brianpeiris/switchmate/issues/6. I do see Home Assistant included support for these late last year (apparently directly via BT, not a Switchmate WiFi bridge, which they also now have), but I don't know how well it works.

tl;dr doing this is hard. :slight_smile:


#25

This helpful community is great and very helpful, almost makes me buy HE.
I already had the blinds. I could not find affordable and suitable motor. So I ended up with teptronic for my blinds to raise/lower and to tilt.

@martyn
IMHO home automation is to get all kinds of devices automated no matter what brand or protocol. But I prefer one hub (or system) and not many for each brand or protocol.
BT is not that bad for sound (just my opinion) so the other devices are mainly BT speakers. Why Sonos like brands when there is cheap BT?
Maybe use my phone BT for presence detection.

@SmartHomePrimer
Please no Google, no IFTT.
I appreciate my freedom.


#26

So right now the blinds can be controlled from the Teptron App on your phone, correct? And that app is apparently using BLE to communicate to the blind motor controller.


#27

Found this:

"Nice, welcome to the club :wink:

The regular "move" is bluetooth connected, the "movez" has a Z-wave connection and was updated last month to have a bluetooth connection as well.

Bluetooth connected sounds nice and easy, but in reality you'll need something that can talk to each individual device specifically. Usually that means that you have to use the app that comes with the device and that it is hard to control it any other way like with a Smartthings controller. That usually only is possible if the company or someone else writes a plugin for it. Otherwise you would have to come up with some construction to control it via your phone in combination with Tasker or something like that. Not ideal.

Z-Wave on the other hand has some standards that companies have to work by, and that makes it work with nearly every z-wave controller out of the box. Your best bet is this option, since it will always work with your controller, no matter where you or your phone are. I for example want my blinds to close automatically when I leave the house and it is dark outside."


#28

And:

"(https://www.reddit.com/r/homeautomation/comments/6693ld/has_anyone_tried_the_treptron_move_for_automated/dghbxk9/)

that is possible, some tweakers reverse engineered the protocol (adding some 0x73 magic..) see: csrmesh/README.md at master · t0mas/csrmesh · GitHub

I actually integrated it with homekit, using raspberry pi running homebridge.. the units are not always responsive, but thats the same issue in the app I guess

I think its good value for money, I recommend to leverage the micro usb connector to sort the power"


#29

So Teptron has left you on an island with no kind of bridge. Been there. Those products are dead to me. You don't want to go out to the cloud, so your best bet, and easier to implement is going to be Tasker on an Android phone. Or solder wires onto the buttons and control it with something like a Qubino Flush 2. Since it's three buttons (raise, lower and stop I'm assuming), then you'll need a Qubino Flush 1 as well. Where in the world are you, US, Canada, Europe, Australia, or other?

Are these roller blinds? How much do you have invested in this? Maybe you just want to get the IKEA Trådfri blinds when they come out in the fall. They will use Zigbee, so it's very likely that community and/or official drivers will be available not long after.


#30

I'm seeing press releases that they are supposed to be out this week. Unless it's an April Fool's joke.


#31

They have been delayed until November because they didn't have the HomeKit integration worked out and I believe there was also some issue with Zigbee communication to their bridge they're still ironing out. So they didn't want to release blinds you could only control with a Zigbee button. Can't argue with that.


#32

So, in a way, it was an April Fool's joke! Thanks. These look really interesting and much more reasonably priced than the Lutron shades.


#33

Oh, no comparison in price. Serena shades just weren't in my future, but these might work if I can install two side by side and trim them to the custom length I'll need for that. They won't have one wide enough for the only window in my house I want to put a blockout shade in, so I'm either going to wait (probably) or put in two of them to fill the window. Probably will not do the latter though.


#34

I may be luckier. Based on the dimensions mentioned, these look to be just wide enough to take care of the two windows that I would really like to be able to cover. I need to look more closely at how it mounts to the frame. I suppose I will be heading down to Ikea later this year!


#35

Discussion is not if Teptron is a good product and servicelevel or not.
I want to know if HE is a good product and their service.


#36

Most of us who are active on the forums think Hubitat is a great product. :slight_smile: However, it is primarily a Z-Wave and Zigbee "hub" (with support for the occasional LAN and cloud device). Bluetooth home automation devices rarely work beyond the confines of their manufacturer's app; some manufacturers have responded to this limitation by releasing Wi-Fi or wired "bridges." In some cases, you can work around these limitations if the device also supports HomeKit (unofficially), IFTTT, or if you can find a platform like Home Assistant (has lots of reverse-engineered and unofficial integrations) and integrate that into Hubitat via MQTT (unofficially). I don't know enough about the specific product you're asking about to say for sure if any of these are options for you.

But, yes, I indeed think Hubitat is a great product. Some home automation devices just aren't. :slight_smile:


#37

You are happy with your Teptron purchase. That's understood. You won't find bluetooth support on Hubitat, at least not any time soon that I can imagine. Bluetooth products that use simple phone operation just are not a popular choice for a platform that is designed for automation.

In regard to HE being a good product. Yes it is. It's a young product and evolving rapidly. The support and staff are excellent, but it's a small team at this time, so patience is key. They are working like mad to improve an already great platform. But a Samsung scale budget and staffing isn't what you'll find here. It cannot and should not be expected that they can add every feature or support for every products asked for. They need to keep their eye on the ball, so Zigbee, Z-Wave and IP is the right choice, since the majority of the HA devices use those three at this time. The future may look different, but for now you'll need to bridge the gap.

The sooner everyone embraces the current reality that you simply need bridges, and sometimes additional hubs at this stage of home automation, the faster they'll be able to create the smart home they always wanted. Professionals don't even blink at multiple hubs and bridges to get the job done. Some HA platforms are designed around a distributed architecture, where multiple bridges are completely normal.


#38

I don't mind having local integration with other hubs, as long as primary automation occurs in the main hub that's fine to me. Like hue and lutron atm.


#39

Exactly, but you can also distribute the logic on HE too, and not lose speed or reliability because it's all local.


#40

Yep especially for you multi hub crazy people.