Is it though? I’m still trying to figure out where you are going with this..
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Where am I going?
Users have odd/weird issues with certain z-wave devices.. .Locks...
turns out HE is not z-wave plus certified (not z-wave certified at all).....
no certification means lots of things can be done differently or not at all. So it's very plausible that locks and other security devices just aren't implemented completely or very well from a z-wave stand point. Would explain all of the weird issues with locks with the HE platform...
Did you read the bottom portion of my other post?
Mainly 1 lock .. But from what I have heard that same lock has had issues with many platforms.. And it also seems the issues are firmware...
And my house is mostly z-wave and I have no issues with any of my devices..
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I understand and agree completely with your concerns. Because with the above many people here routinely make the claim "X Y or Z" is the way zwave operates, using the knowledge they have from "certified zwave" and trying to apply the exact same diagnostics here, when in fact HE's zwave is NOT certified, nor do those offering the recommendations have knowledge if everything implemented on HE's zwave end is "up to" zwave certification specs.
There are numerous threads on the Smartthings forum of people having similar problems with z-wave locks.
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Just a friendly discussion. No need to be like that.
I’m using SmartThings as an example because they are Z-Wave Plus certified, and you are mistaken in your assumption that a Z-Wave Plus certification for a controller guarantees that all Z-Wave devices will work with it.
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Over the last year or so (in rush of iris and wink people) it has greatly been 1 lock the schlage but I've seen other issues with other locks pop up and the most common answer was "change to zigbee".... I have not seen this many lock problems with any other platform that was not resolved by either adding repeaters with beaming or repositioning the gateway or hub.
There are multiple threads on this and it's not even just a few from other vendors besides schlage.
You will never see that recommendation from me.. I prefer z-wave.. The standards are easier to program for (IMHO).. And I have one hell of a z-wave mesh.. But there is a lot of favoritism in this community for zigbee..
I do apologize for that.
However I did get defensive because I'm simply pointing out something I noticed today and everyone is jumping at it being very defensive of HE when there is no attack against HE but I'm trying to see why there are these odd issues with HE that I have not seen with other systems to this large degree.
Yes there are. However this actually would make sense as HE and ST have a shared driver structure and possibly some mistakes?
LOL - z-wave has standards... zigbee has whatever you want it to be and your own ZCL.
There is a lot of love for zigbee and I have a deep appreciation for it for some uses just not all.
My intents are not a z-wave vs zigbee but a why are these z-wave devices behaving so badly and not just locks in the bad behavior category... locks were just the easiest to pick on because they've been such a hot topic lately.
Not so much as you may think.. HE is way ahead of ST in z-wave class version support.. And having ported drivers that I wrote from HE to ST I can tell you that a lot is different here..
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Now that's good and refreshing to hear.
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That is basically what I said.. That’s why it’s so much easier for me to program z-wave drivers.. And why I said I prefer z-wave..
Zigbee still makes my head hurt..
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I know I was just repeating because I agreed. Next time I'll just like the post but then I'll run out of likes 
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Sorry.. I misunderstood..
But you will find .. I am very much a z-wave fan boy.. And coding z-wave drivers in HE is so much easier because of the advancements here vs ST
That's cool!
Can we start a club? Oh wait.. there's one already Z-Wave Alliance
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Accepted. Thanks for keeping it light 
Really no need. I hope you didn't read a tone into my reply. There honestly wasn't one intended. Was trying my best to be respectful. I too, do apologize if it didn't come off that way. I'm an HE supporter as I know you are too. Honestly, in my books the hub has paid for itself in time saved over having to learn and maintain a Home Assistant platform. 
I'm slowly furthering my education around Z-Wave, and I do know that there are things in the certification requirement like "Replace" that are missing from the HE platform and would have to be added for certification. But for the most part, there isn't anything that is in that certification process that would make the Z-Wave Plus radio they are using any more capable to join devices. Rather, there would be tools available to deal with the issues that arise with Z-Wave devices.
I'll give another example using the Ring Keypad (apologies for not being more creative with my examples 
). I just today removed my Ring Keypad to try again with the latest HE platform build and see if I could get it to join to the hub. It wouldn't. When I went to join it back to the Ring hub, it wouldn't join there either. Spent an hour resetting the keypad, excluding, resetting and rebooting the Ring hub, removed its backup battery to get the Z-Wave radio to fully power off, etc. Finally, I reset the thing again, and tried to join it as a generic Z-Wave device under the lock section of all places. It joined with a "major failure" as they worded it in their app. Then it took me time to figure out how to kill that device from their database. After that, for no reason that makes any sense to me, it finally joined with S2 using a classic inclusion method, since the SmartStart method still wouldn't work for some strange reason.
So I'm just using that example because, here's a Z-Wave Plus certified controller that sometimes has problems joining their own Z-Wave Plus certified devices! 
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I actually did a really fun driver recently for a cool device.. utilized z-wave multichannel associations back to the hub and multichannel encap to get the most capabilities out of this touch panel controller.. And the hub was acting like the end device so all my z-wave command classes were from what is normally on the device side instead of the hub side.. It was a fun exercise
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