Hello Folks,
Does the current iteration of the hub support Zigbee 3.0 and Z-Wave plus radios? Want to make sure I buy the latest type of sensors that the hub can fully utilize
Appreciate your help
Hello Folks,
Does the current iteration of the hub support Zigbee 3.0 and Z-Wave plus radios? Want to make sure I buy the latest type of sensors that the hub can fully utilize
Appreciate your help
HE supports zwave+ devices.
For zigbee, it will pair to zha1.2 and zll profile devices. Notably, the zigbee 3.0 spec requires interoperability with legacy zha1.2 and zll devices, so you should be fine. I have some zigbee 3.0 sensors that work well with my Hubitat Elevation.
Maybe @aaiyar will make a liar of me but I've avoided zwave+, though it is an option on most of my devices, because I've yet to find anyone who feels it's worth the hassle. YMMV
There's no reason to avoid z-wave+ devices. If anything, i would avoid non-plus devices (shorter range, lower battery life, no instant status).
Told ya
I have >70 zwave plus devices on my main hub... So you can put me in the "I don't avoid it" camp...
There isn't any more "hassle" to it than zigbee... And actually less if you accidentally get a few zigbee bulbs/devices that end up being bad repeaters.
WHAAAAAAT? Why on earth would you avoid +?
Z-Wave Plus vs Z-Wave:
Z-Wave Plus (500 series) and Z-Wave Plus V2 (700 series) offer tremendous speed and range improvements over older pre-plus devices. For the purpose of this comparison we will omit older Z-wave devices that operate at 9.6Kbps.
300 Series | 500 Series | 700 Series | |
---|---|---|---|
AKA: | Z-Wave | Z-Wave Plus | Z-Wave Plus V2 |
Bandwidth: | 40Kbps | 100Kbps | 100Kbps |
Range Indoor (Direct): | more than 30 meters | up to 75 meters | up to 100 meters |
Network Wide Inclusion: | No | Optional | Yes |
Explorer Frames: | No | Yes | Yes |
Security S0: | Yes | Yes | Yes |
Security S2: | No | Optional | Yes |
OTA Firmware: | No | Optional | Yes |
FLiRS: | Optional | Optional | Yes |
More information: Silicon Labs 700 Series
Because the people I personally know that use Z-wave say it's a major PITA and not worth it. And, so far, every Z-wave device I have is mains powered and range has not been an issue.
That said, I'm glad to hear that I'm misinformed and will keep that in mind if I have range issues or just need to rebuild the mesh for some reason.
Thanks for your perspective.
I'm the other way around. I specifically ripped out all NON plus devices from my network to get max speed on my zwave mesh, and avoid other issues like status update polling.
As zwave 700 devices are so slow to come out (let alone zwave 700 hub support), I figure zwave plus will hold me for 3-5 more years until something newer/shinier comes out in volume.
Do those same people still use dialup internet?
Me too.. Best thing I did...
Ditto. After sniffing my mesh for a while and seeing some old zwave devices dump it down to 9.6k periodically, that was the last straw. Out they went, and up went my speeds (as confirmed by the sniffer).
So what speed are you seeing now?
Almost everything is 100k. Some 40k, only diagnostic frames are 9.6k (those never go away in order to maintain backward compatibility all the way back to zwave 100).
So on the devices that were causing not only their traffic, but also traffic repeated through them to go to 9.6k that's a 4-10x speed increase. And I can tell you on my system it was quite noticeable!
Thank you
Do I simply exclude each device and re-include in + mode, one by one? Exclude all then include? Any gotchas in the changeover?
If you have any zwave+ devices, they would have already been included as zwave+ devices.
To be clear, there's no confusion between zwave+ and secure zwave here, is there?
You definitely do not want to be use secure zwave (outside of locks and garage door openers).
Edit: Not using secure zwave (except for locks and garage door openers) fits with your friends' recommendations - it will slow your zwave network down).
Wait you have + devices?
Are we confusing + with secure pairing?