If files are found, my experience (and some others) has been to repeat the upgrade process and eventually it will complete.
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No... ZLL bulbs make extremely bad repeaters and messengers and don't repeat when in off (really lower power state) so anything routing through it drops off like a drunk at a frat party. ZHA on the otherhand routes properly. Bulb wise zigbee 3.0 over comes this as to sengled bulbs (they do not repeat) The solution to the ZLL issue is to isolate ZLL bulbs on their own hub (such as another hubitat or HUE bridge) . This way they won't interfere with with the ZHA mesh.
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I did that 10-15 times on one device. No luck. I have 40 devices or so and honestly not in the mood to spent time on try and error stuff. Thanks for your reply, though 
Well, what I thought and understand is:
I can upgrade all of my Ikea devices from ZLL do ZB3.0, those will then fall back to ZA1.2 and thus act as a "good" repeater. And that is what I want to do.
If I have a few Hue devices, which still run on ZLL and these are not upgradable to ZB3.0 and are not expensive to swap out, I am also willing to do that. I am not intending to take down entire lamps (Adore for example). So if these are on ZLL (how can I tell?), that is unfortunate, but hey. I am not getting another hub for ZLL, eventhough in another thread I was also told, that this is a good solution. But if I could update (and maybe swap) most of it, I have like maybe 4 Lamps left on ZLL, which would be okay, I guess.
I do not understand the term "sengled" - what do you mean? ZLL updates to ZB3.0 but still does not repeat?
Oh that would be a pain.
Out of curiosity, did it ever start the upgrade process after it found the file? Or was the next log entry the "failed" message? In both cases for me, it did start the process and then aborted at some point.
No, it's always the same behaviour like in the Log postet: one Line says starting the update with file XXX and the next line 2-3min later says failed. Without any percentage in between.
āSengledā is a brand. Their led bulbs do not act as repeaters.
what do I do when the update does not start (motion sensors) and files seem to be missing?
oh, I never heard of them. Thanks for clearing that up
One thing people have tried for this is to essentially make the device directly connected to the hub and try again. To do this you would factory reset the device (don't delete it in HE). Then move it to place next to the hub and rejoin it. Because it's ZigBee it will fall back into its old slot but it's route to the hub with be direct (rather than route though other bad LL repeaters). Now hit the update and keep a eye on the logs hopefully this will then let it updated because less chance of dropping packets from other repeaters. Move it back to its correct location and do the same for the next device, rinse and repeat.
Hopefully at some point in this your mesh should start getting better and you may not need to do it.
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Well this sound very easy with Adore Bathroom and some outdoor lights screwed to the walls and Hue hub having integrated wifi. Oh no wait... Don't get me wrong Borris, I really appreciate your help, thank you! I just think it is kind of ridiculous jumping through these hoops having in mind it is 2021 and not 1992. If I could upgrade the Ikea Lamps, that would help a lot for getting the Mesh better. I will try with a Hue Motion Sensor. Eventhough, I still think that there has to be another issue, if the log says file not found or sth.
The issue is that your zigbee mesh isnāt good enough to reliably relay a sequence of packets that can be assembled at the device end for the firmware update to take.
We can all dance around the issue and find bogeymen to blame, but that isnāt going to change the realities of your zigbee mesh.
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Excuse me, but I am not saying that my Mesh is not the issue at some point. For example when I try to update a lamp, wich starts and then errors a few minutes later. As I posted earlier:
This just does not look like a Mesh issue for me. The thing erros immediately and finds a Filename "null" and you don't think that is strange and could be another issue - not having to do with my messed up Mesh at all? Interessting.
EDIT: After several attempts and moving the hub a little bit, I was able to update at least the Hue lights, which are screwed to the walls. What I do not know: did this do anything? I mean, it would be nice, if they would be able to ZB3.0 now instead of ZLL like the Ikea stuff seems to be able after an update. (If they have been on ZLL - wich I don't know) Is there any way to check that? It is a shame that it is so difficult to find information on this from Philips. The Motion Sensors of course still don't update and another anyoing thing: I rejoined an Osram Strip and tried to update this. It went to 80% then the strip flashed/turned on or got brighter and nothing happend. The Log then began with 20% etc. So now, when I trun the strip off, it comes back on some time later. Seems like the update is in a loop or sth.
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Hi again,
since I have some issues with new Ledvance devices, I was checking for FW Updates for them.
Seems like there are no new ones (also Hubitat does not find them), but I was wondering, if you have included Ledvance already?
https://update.ledvance.com/firmware-overview?submit=eu
Iām assuming youāre referring to Ledvance Zigbee 3.0 devices. These arenāt available over here, but Iām assuming the firmwares could be added. @mike.maxwell should be able to answer this.
Might not be helpful, but I put all Hue devices on the Hue bridge. Hue bulbs were as bad as Osram for me (and others here) dropping messages and generally being bad repeaters. I havenāt had any problems with Ledvance Zigbee HA stuff, outside of the A-19 rgbw bulbs high failure rate after getting the LL stuff off the mesh. The Osram update several years ago that made the bulbs Zigbee HA, didnāt make them better (in the U.S.), just incompatible with Hue.
Yes I refer to the ZB3.0 devices. My Smarthome is no fun at the moment. It's a bit a vicious circle, since I would like to have a "better Mesh" (exchanging devices) before I go into modes and automatisation. Osram devices totally dropped after 2 Firmware upgrades already and I am no fan of rejoining them every other week. Hence, I am exchaning those. I got Osram Mini Garden Poles and now got new Ledvance ones. Of course, having issues with them right a way as well.
It's a pain, because the entire configuration of my home would take some time and now it feels like wasting a lot of time and effort just for imho simple stuff, which should work "out of the box". Anyoing. But back to topic...
I'm not trying to be sarcastic.... But if you keep having issues with Osram/LEDVANCE, why do you keep buying more??? Maybe try a different brand?
Because it's not just this brand. Actually, I come from ST and used the Osram stuff without any issues (except the outdoor plug) for quite some time. We have a bigger apartment now and I migrated to hubitat and with that the Osram lightstrips start having issues.
Also, I was made aware of the problematics of ZLL/ZHA here. That's why I would like to "upgrade" most of my stuff to ZB3.0, if possible. That's the only reason why I bought the Ledvance poles. I actually did not use the old Mini Garden Poles with hubitat yet, only 3 LED Strips, which dropped after FW Updates. So that was the reason I exchanged them with the ZB3.0 Version, before even having trouble with them.
But talking about brands:
- I had 3x hue GU10 in one lamp. Grouped together and most of the times one of the bulbs (of course a different one every time) did not react or dropped at all. Got Innr GU10 and everything is fine now.
- Still I cannot upgrade the Hue Motion sensors (which I believe is a Hubitat error)
- I have no idea whether some of my Hue stuff is running on ZLL or ZB3.0
- I cannot upgrade Ikea Tradfri devices from ZLL to ZB3.0 via OTA and Hubitat (which would improve my Mesh at lot, I think)
- I have Aqara window sensors, which - oh wonder - dropped. I would like to exchange them with the new ZB3.0 version - which oh wonder - is not supported by a custom driver yet.
- Now I have this issue with the Ledvance Poles, eventhoug the Osram ones work fine (colorwise, have not tested them long term and as I said: due to Mesh reasons I would prefere the ZB3.0)
You see, it is not one brand, which keeps me busy. And yes, I know that this smarthome stuff is not simple due to so many brands/protocols etc. But I really would love to see that I could use one hub with different brands and don't run into these kind of issues. Seriously, it's almost 2022 and not 1995, people keep talking about the IOT stuff and if you want to do more than "light on/off" you have to become a professional coder? Come on...
I mean, I have not even tried to integrate "non standard Zigbee devices" like Tedee Smartlock, and atm I really am not looking forward to that project!
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??? because you also wrote ....
and
AFAIK, there are no ZLL Tradfri devices that are supported by Hubitat. And Aqara contact sensors are definitely not standard Zigbee.
