In the PC software, there is a function to change the security to None.
I had several devices that I had paired with the hub as S0 and they were causing issues. I found that the software would not allow me to change their security to None.
So, I had to unpair them and re-pair them with the stick. I then used that same function to change the security from S0 to None and it worked.
One thing to note is that when the device is paired with the UZB stick, there are some settings (wake-up timing?) that might not be set by the stick. I haven’t had issues based on this (as far as I know...)
Can you note which devices S0 devices you had success pairing w/out S0 (no security). Curious if it was across different vendors, and if there were specific steps that the vendor provides to pair them w/out S0.
I did them all via the UZB - I am not aware that they allow steps to pair with no security... mostly because I never checked...
Aotech HEM V5
Zooz 4-in-1 (V2)
Monoprice 4-in-1 (Zooz V1?)
And unfortunately, I have quite a few Zooz and Monoprice sensors - I my mesh seems quite solid, though I am seeing some issues which could be related to still having them around... (Switch Dashboard not always able to update all my 18 Inovelli switches’ LED light; Unable to update the firmware on my S2 Inovelli switches with the new and driver based firmware updated...)
Thanks, good to see it is working for S0 only devices across multiple vendors, and that you didn't need any special inclusion steps on the device side.
I haven't done this yet, as my only S0 devices are a door lock and a garage door opener, so I want them to have security. What are the steps you followed (in PC Controller app and in HE) to include them w/out SO security?
Oh, I had also setup a Fibaro motion sensor, but it didn't take - after a bit, it stopped working. I didn't do much in the way of investigation on it, try to re-activate it but gave up and just added it to my C5 and linked it with Hub Mesh.
Thanks...so there is some time-constraint you have to use the Security Scheme option by when you're adding a new device via PC Controller? Wondering why this works, but not when it's already included...
Still up and running. Have all but two z-wave devices connected. I downloaded a backup in case something goes wrong in the near future.
I'm apprehensive to add apps, setup a dashboard, and start automating things. I really...really don't want to reset and repair everything again.
Should I only add a few apps at a time, let things settle for a few hours, and then add more?
I have my deadbolt functioning fine, the response time is crazy fast. Not used to that coming from ST. It says 24 route changes under the z-wave details page. I still haven't run a z-wave repair since everything functions fine. Is that normal?
Adding apps, creating dashboards, and automating things aren’t going to cause you to have to start over. The C-7’s weakness is in the inclusion process, which sometimes goes badly and creates “ghost” (zombie) Z-Wave nodes that can mess things up. It’s not as bad as it was, many bugs have been fixed, we are hopeful that it will get better.
But adding apps and Dashboards aren’t the problem. Make a backup after you change things so that you can fall back if things go badly.
Logging does a good job of telling you where problems are, and I have never noticed an issue w/apps causing problems other than in the specific automations create in them. It is good to map out what you're going to automate and then choose the app appropriate to do the automation in. So install them, look at their capabilities/settings, and then you'll make better choices.
You should be able to create most of your automations using a few built-in apps:
Motion and Mode Lighting app
Notifications app
Simple Automation Rules app
If you are more techie/programmer, you may also like Rule Machine for more complex automations
There is a very very useful app called Hubitat Package Manager that allows you to easily install and update community developed apps and drivers from a central location...not every community app and driver are available in it, but most of them are. Having HPM is a must. It says "Beta" but it's very mature and very stable:
Just a few very useful apps you can get from HPM:
Auto Lock (get the Auto Lock app version by Lewis Heidrick). Very cool app allows you to auto-lock doors and has a ton of customizations
Auto_Off - There is also an "Auto off" (no underscore). Auto_Off is an enhanced version of the original "Auto Off" and has some additional features that make it nicer to use. Turn off any devices after a time period you set. Very useful.
Advanced Button Controller - great app w/great options to set up and use your button devices.
Event Engine: Automations app that provides more capabilities than Simple Automation Rules app, but is point-and-click and much simpler than Rule Machine.
Don't touch the Z-Wave Repair button unless you get written permission. Route changes only a problem if they become a real problem and you have mesh/performance issues. Go ahead and let your devices and mesh settle in.
Thanks for the help and insight. Got a few basic things setup pretty easily. The built in rule machine is pretty awesome, I have a very basic understanding of using webcore when I had Smartthings, and this is actually easier for me to understand.
Only small hangup so far is with my backdoor deadbolt. It functions fine, but I would like to be able to disarm HSM, using the exterior keypad, but NOT with the physical lock being locked. I can't find anything so far that accomplished that. I have it set to "arm - stay" when the lock is locked which is great.
Couldn't find anything with the lock in the Package Manager, but found a ton of other useful stuff. I appreciate the suggestion on that!
Essentially if I were to have it disarm HSM with the "unlock" of the deadbolt, you could disarm the whole system just turning the lock from the inside of the door. I need it to disarm only with the correct pin.
Never used this feature, but if you select lock codes as your trigger in RM, you can then select the code(s) you want to use as your trigger, and they should unlock the door, and also execute whatever you tell RM to do.
From what I see the Event Engine app also supports lock codes as a trigger (called Condition in EE) to launch an automation.
Neither lets you choose a code, you choose the codes already defined on the lock when you set up lock codes on the lock.
I got that far, but when I got the drop down menu under "select code names" my only option is "Any Lock Code". Does that mean anything entered will disarm, or any lock code that's stored in the lock?
That’s not what I see with my two Schlage BE469ZP locks running the built-in BE468/BE469 driver and the built-in Lock Code Manager on my C-7 with 2.2.4.158. I have a single Lock Code named “Sarah and Russ”, entered in Lock Code Manager after the standard inclusion dance of factory reset defaults, include lock (S2), manually delete all codes at the lock, add lock code using Lock Code Manager, give it the name in Lock Code Manager.
Here is what I see when I tried Rule Machine, new rule, define trigger on lock codes. See screenshot:
Mine seemed to work either way, but only got the lock codes to show up after I added them in LCM.
Everything seems to be working ok, but the HSM doesn't seem to work great with two iris keypads, and the keypad on the deadbolt. Sometimes it's super slow, other times it's lightning fast. Anything I should pay attention to in the logs? Most of what I see, I honestly have no idea what anything means.
Sorry, I don’t use HSM. I’m one of those who believes that home security monitoring should be done by a service, with no interaction between the Hubitat system and the home security system. Hubitat is not 100% reliable; our home security system needs to be 100% reliable, and has been. We are very happy with our local security monitoring service, and they have provided great service over the years.
I think this is the correct take but you have to be committed to actually using the system properly even if it is a pain to do. A lot of my clients/potential clients get such a system and then stop using it after a year or so.
I've been curious about the DIY stuff like SimpliSafe and Ring. You can actually add monitoring if you want but still have a useful system if not. With Ring you can build up the system or repurpose some of the devices with HE. Another interesting tech is Konnected - re-use existing alarm equipment and they also have monitoring as well.
I’ve been doing this and absolutely love it. Saves me from having multiple contact sensors on doors and allows me to ensure my alarm is armed every evening and whenever the house is empty. I had Ring before Hubitat, and would constantly forget to arm the system. I the ability to automatically arm as required (not just on a schedule) is really useful.
The integration between systems also allows me to ensure that my doors are locked whenever the alarm system is armed. Couldn’t do that with Ring alone unfortunately...
Route changes only a problem if they become a real problem and you have mesh/performance issues. Go ahead and let your devices and mesh settle in.
