X10 - will it ever return?

I did not know this. Thanks for sharing. The owner of our previous home loved the Insteon automation, but not the UDI hub I left him. I'll let him know about this today.

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This "working as an X-10 bridge" didn't correlate with getting a slight tingling sensation when leaning on the dryer and the washer at the same time did it ? :rofl: ( sorry, I just couldn't 'resist' )


Use the word “vintage” and they will sell faster. :sunglasses:

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I assume you are in the USA ? So 220 V is cross phase ?
Ours UK is 440V, fortunately not available in most residential installations


I just want my x10 palm remotes to be received by Hubitat then I can do what I want with the received signal. I use my phone app to control everything (KASSA via Hubitat) but my wife is disabled and used to those little x10 remotes.

X10 can run concurrently with zigbee, zwave and wifi. Let her continue using her palmpads and incorporate the newer technology for things she may not need to control. There are zwave button controllers that can easily replace your palmpads if you want to totally dump x10.


Wow so glad I came across this thread before asking if anyone has developed an X10 bridge for HE.
I guess I'm in the minority but I still have a fair number of X10 devices in use for specific purposes. The wall switches were always awful but I still use a few outlet modules and a lot of the motion sensors. And I have a variety of door sensors running on DS10a receivers (which can work with any open/close device). The key was replacing the interfaces with those from JVDE engineering and using RF sensors from WGL (not sure if WGL is still in business). My X10 and X10 RF stuff has actually been quite reliable. However, I went with UPB for wall switches and still have a lot of those in place. I got rid of all the Insteon switches except keypads - no one has come up with a keypad that is as easy to label and use.

I have it all integrated with Home Control Assistant which supports just about every technology I know about and talks to HE via Maker API.
So right now I have in use X10, Insteon, UPB, Zwave, and Zigbee, Ecobee, IR devices, IP interfaces, serial interfaces. Client/Server mode.

As my UPB switches start to fail (after 10+ years) I'm replacing with Zwave mostly. And replacing sensors with zigbee. WIth the upgraded interfaces and receivers, the issue with X10 hasn't been reliability - it's been lack of 2 way communication and for the sensors, having to reprogram when you change batteries. (and also ugliness)

I got dissed for this on another thread but I like the palmpads! Having a dedicated remote at hand is often easier than unlocking your phone and pulling up an app and then navigating to the right place. I'm able to use the X10 remotes via other software I have integrated with HE - but it's going to stop being developed soon unfortunately.

Interesting....what software are you referring to?

Home Control Assistant (HCA). Been using it for years - not sure why it never got more popular - I think it's better than anything else out there at a very low price point. Tremendous power and flexibility. Built in visual programming, ability to interface with scripts, accessible object model, superb documentation, great support. Alas, it's a very small company and they've announced that further development will stop within a year, and support in about 2+ years. As will cloud functions (which are only needed for Alexa, LIFX, etc). Has a decent mobile app too. I plan to keep running it until it stops working.


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A couple things in case anyone is still interested. There was a somewhat successful X10 integration with ST, using Node-RED and a RPI. I ran this until ST killed Groovy.

The reason I was willing to go to the trouble is because I have a huge inventory of Leviton 6343, 16383, HCM06 and HCM10, DHC Red Line PLC dimmers. These are some the nicest dimmers I've ever encountered, with a tactile feel far better than any GE or Zooz product I've used. And they have the following features:

  • Scene Control capability when used with DHC Scene Controller.
  • Multi-station manual and remote On/Off switching and full-range dimming.
  • Soft On/Fade Off brightness levels allowing extended bulb life.
  • Memory of last scene.

I'm just now migrating from ST to Hubitat. If anyone wants to work on a Hubitat/X10 integration I would be game to put these back online in my home, but this really only makes sense if the X10 device can be polled for status. The Leviton controls I just listed are all capable of 2-way communication, as they were natively developed for use in Leviton's Toscana Control System. My problem is I'm just a hack code writer. I can figure out how to tweak a driver, but I can't write code from scratch.

If you get your hands on an Insteon 2245-222 hub, you can add X-10 devices to it with the Home Assistant integration. I don't like their integration vs the Insteon integration that was created for use with Hubitat (which I personally use with my Insteon dimmers), but the Home Assistant integration is good to have for adding and configuring devices.

The Hubitat integration doesn't add devices to the hub, but it can control Insteon devices and listen to events from them. I have no way of knowing for sure if it would do what you need for X10 since I only own Insteon, but it might be a starting-point if you're not able to use it directly with X-10 devices.

Some additional discussions and resources , as X10 is a question that pops up every so often.

I had started down the road with ISY and, for reasons I don’t fully remember, never finished. Sold the ISY and my 2413U PLM last year, and even managed to recoup all my costs from a 2018 purchase. Would I need a PLM, or does the 2245-222 act as one? There's one available now on eBay for $20. My ST integration ran on a RPi using Node-RED and Heyu. With that I just used the old serial PLM.

The 2245-222 is supposed to be able to support X10 to a limited extent. It has less memory than the old 2242-222 hub and from what I understand a bit more limited PLM, but it’s faster and less temperamental than the 2242 hub was.

For $20 it’s definitely worth a shot. The Hubitat community integration only works with the hubs, not the 2413U. The Home Assistant integration supports all of them, but as I mentioned, I’m not a fan of it for control. It’s great as a way to add devices and configure them (in fact I just enabled it temporarily this evening to create an Insteon scene), but it gets out of sync really fast in the testing I’ve done. Maybe you might have better luck with it.

If the Home Assistant Insteon integration works well for you, you can bring device entities from Home Assistant into Hubitat for automation using the Home Assistant Device Bridge Integration. It has just been re-designed to use significantly less hub resources than before. In fact, I may just give the Home Assistant Insteon integration a try again. It might have been the previous build of HADB that was causing the sync problems.

Decent. Slightly better than it was before with the previous version of HADB, but nothing beats the speed of the Insteon integration for Hubitat that @cwwilson08 and Scott Keuster built. Now that I have the Insteon server and Homebridge running on a more capable Mac Mini, I can also move the dimming up and down in HomeKit and the lights stay in sync. The Home Assistant integration still struggles, leaving the light levels lagging behind the controls.

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I don't have a desire to start yet another application with Home Assistant. What I'm wondering is how the Insteon hub transmits onto the power line? Is this done through the hub's power cord?


There's an old post here that says you need the old version of the hub for X10 switches :person_shrugging:

I've never owned anything X10, but I know that there are others that have posted that you could add X10 to the 2245-222 hub, and I do see it as an option in the Home Assistant integration. That's not to say that it works on my hub, and I cannot test it. There still are 2242-222 hubs available on ebay. The manual for the 2242-222 hub lists X10, but the manual for the 2245-222 hub does not. So I can only quote what other users are saying. There's probably someone still at the new Insteon corporation that can better explain what's possible.

Home Assistant Insteon integration (Add X10 device). Means nothing to me, having never used X10.

I have read users of the 2242-222 hub say that the Hubitat integration does work with their Insteon devices. There's really no reason it shouldn't. The basic driver is sending http to the hub to control devices. The websocket driver that runs on node.js is simply listening to responses so if an Insteon switch or plug, etc. is manually controlled, the Hubitat Elevation hub will know its status. Or if a contact or leak sensor triggers, that status is reflected on the HE hub.

If X10 doesn't have status (I think someone mentioned that at one time), then you don't even need the node.js application. There's a driver that can send http to the hub without it. In fact, if I shut down my node.js applicaiton for Insteon, I can still control the lights from Hubitat, but I just don't get the status and my one Insteon leak sensor I'm still using will not report anything to the HE hub.

Here's how the basic URL commands work with the Insteon hub. You may already be familiar. If the same type of device network ID is used with X10 devices, then I don't see why you wouldn't be able to control them. However, if there isn't a DNI, then I have no idea how you would control them from an Insteon hub without something like ISY 994i (have one of those I bought of ebay and never used if you're interested again :wink:).

Excerpt from the older Insteon 2242-222 hub.

Some other informaton you might find useful. Just trying to be as helpful as possible.


And yes, apparently it's possible to convert 2242-222 and 2245-222 hubs so you can connect it to and ISY994i serial connection or via USB directly to Home Assistant. I bought the parts to do this, since I have an old Insteon hub that seems to join devices, but its Etherenet port is dead. I was going to do this conversion and use ISY with Home Assistant at one time, but never did.

If any of you folks are still using X10 might be interested in some Lightolier Compose PLC dimmers and/or switches, I have several NIB laying around. Originally around $70 each I would be happy to sell them for $10 each and I will pay shipping on 2 or more.