Will the legacy dashbord be stopped, continued or still being developed?

[pascal.nohl]

Hi,

The Easy Dashboard feels overly simplistic and, in my opinion, is still in a beta state. For example, TRV tiles display errors because they don't report the fan state—a feature they don't even possess. The tiles themselves resemble those from Windows 8: unattractive and not very user-friendly.

I've been experimenting a bit with CSS and managed to create some more aesthetically pleasing tiles using simple tweaks. It didn't require extensive resources or advanced skills, even for someone like me who's not an expert in CSS. This makes me wonder why Hubitat doesn't offer straightforward styling options in the user interface. Features like different icons for various states, custom icons instead of the limited built-in selection, borders, 3D effects, gradients, font styles, display names, and more would greatly enhance usability. Implementing these features directly into the internal HTML code builder would be much easier than having to modify them later using CSS.

Here are some images of a test dashboard I've been working on. The original and modified tiles are displayed in various states:

Buttons, switches, and TRV OFF :

Buttons, switches, and TRV ON :

TRV heating :

An example of the bulb tile for those who like it brighter :

And a more colourful weather tile :

This is an experiment in progress, may actually nor win a design award, but as told uses basic CSS to get an improved visual. Gradients can be adopted, as borders can. States can be shown or not. Titles can be replaced and styled. For TRV tile the fan option is removed, and probably much more and more to come.

So Hubitat, if it's so easy for a noob, what holds you back to implement more features ? Easy dashboard may be a good initiative, like simple rules is for beginners, but not an alternative for advanced dashboards.

[thebearmay]

Not on staff, but I believe that it will continue to be supported. I would expect that development in that area may tend to be focused more on the Easy Dashboard and the like though.

[pascal.nohl]

@thebearmay

Not on staff

That's a shame. Dashboards were always the fail of Hubitat and instead of making a basically good dashboard with many (hidden) possibilities simply better by integrating styling options they create a new blocky dashboard that will also fail compared to other systems, a new colourful tiles dashboard. Even Microsoft gave up on Windows 8 dashboards.

[bertabcd1234]

It has been stated that there are no plans to discontinue Hubitat Dashboard. Additionally, there have been changes and feature additions made to Hubitat Dashboard even after the release of Easy Dashboard, so while no one can predict the future long-term, those are the current plans, and it seems like the question in your title has already been answered.

[pascal.nohl]

@bertabcd1234

it seems like the question in your title has already been answered.

'Seems' is the magical word. Hubitat statements are known to be uncertain, unclear and with no roadmap communicated at all. Maybe borders come in 2025 and gradients in 2030 with nothing in between.

[bertabcd1234]

@pascal.nohl

are known to be uncertain, unclear and with no roadmap

It also seems you have already made up your mind and that any statements are therefore unlikely to change it.

It is true that there are rarely any public timelines or roadmaps, and I would not expect that to change. But it's also true (not "seems") that Hubitat Dashboard has had feature updates, including drag and drop, added to it recently--after the release of Easy Dashboard, answering one of your questions.

@pascal.nohl

TRV tiles display errors because

Also, a solution for this issue has already been provided for you in a previous post you made. The built-in driver will be looked at to see what can be done so you don't have to, but that is unlikely to be until 2.4.0.

[bravenel]

@pascal.nohl

Hubitat statements are known to be uncertain, unclear and with no roadmap communicated at all.

That's way over the top. It is true that we don't talk about the future, and don't offer roadmaps. It's untrue that we make "uncertain" or "unclear" statements. Cite the examples you have us making uncertain statements, and we will happily clarify any misunderstandings. Our intent is to only communicate about sure things, such as "we just released a new Dashboard app"; you won't find us saying "there will be a new Dashboard app coming in a few months." I'm sorry that's not the approach you want, but it is our approach.

[rlithgow1]

I just want my Hubitat neural interface darnit!

[pascal.nohl]

Just a small update of the progress :

And with other states :

At the bottom is a kind of tab bar spanning over the gaps between tiles (no gap) and Dashboard Link Tiles that can be clickable or not.

All the icons are local pictures, but all the borders, gradients, shapes, text modifications, added text as a '%' sign, or preceding 'State:', color changes for example for the clock fingers (original gray and not really visible with certain backgrounds, have been done in CSS. Even the battery icon will change at 100-80%, 79-60%, 59-40%, 39-20%, 19-6%, 5-1% and 0%.

[stueyhughes]

Some people are very mean and have zero empathy for HE staff. You guys have no idea of what great customer care looks like, I see an abundance of support from Staff which generally goes unnoticed nor thanked for. Please be more kind to HE staff and give them a break. Don't bite the hand that feeds you!

[pascal.nohl]

@stueyhughes

Please be more kind to HE staff and give them a break. Don't bite the hand that feeds you!

Your message is paradoxical. First, as a senior project coordinator, I act as the intermediary between project managers and clients. I often find myself in challenging situations, but I know what it takes to deliver a great experience to both sides. I'm fully aware of what the staff does and understand that they are often understaffed, but that doesn't excuse rude behavior. Providing an excellent user experience starts by removing any emotional elements from the user's message, focusing solely on the essential technical aspects, and responding in a polite, diplomatic, and honest manner, without any emotional tone. Staff can express emotion if it's in response to positive messages.

However, I disagree with your second point. The staff are not the ones who "feed" us; it's the other way around. We "feed" the staff with our money by purchasing their products and services, so they shouldn't bite the hand that feeds them.

[thebearmay]

Think the question has been answered, and given that this thread is starting devolve, it might be best if we closed it now. @moderators

[marktheknife]

@pascal.nohl

Staff can express emotion if it's in response to positive messages.

I wouldn’t last even one day in a customer service job.