What Benefit it Hubitat If I Have a Lutron Smart Pro Bridge

Hello,

I have many Lutron switches currently automated with Wink. It works fine when it works, it just isn't reliable (as we all know). What benefit does Hubitat offer me if I have to get the Lutron Bridge anyways? Can't I just run it through the Lutron app?

Assuming you don't want to add any other devices (ZWave or Zigbee) then you might not need Hubitat. Also, you have much more control on programming your devices with Hubitat.

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If all you want to do is to turn lights on and off from you phone, you certainly shouldn't get Hubitat. If you want to automate things, so lights turn on for example when a door opens, or someone walks into a room, or they come on to different levels in the evening than during the day, etc. you won't be able to do any of that with just the SmartBridge Pro and Lutron app.

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I think Bruce is underselling Hubitat a bit.

The automation part of Hubitat is amazing, and a terrific addition to the sparse Lutron hub that basically has none. You can as mentioned have motion, time of day, and many other methods of truly automating these Lutron switches. I have my garage door trigger the garage light switch, porch lights, and front hall lights (all Caseta) at various levels throughout the day. There is no way to do anything remotely like that with just Lutron.

With Hubitat, you get the ability to have devices of mixed protocols like a Zigbee sensor triggering a Caseta light, which is great, as Lutron doesn't offer many sensors or devices outside of lighting. It can go the other way too, Lutron devices like a Pico triggering a Zigbee or Zwave device. Hubitat ties all these various protocols together.

To me the versatility of the Pico is one of the best points with Hubitat. You can use Pico any way you can imagine, and are not stuck with them being bound to a Caseta switch. You can put them on the bedside or end tables and trigger automations. You can use them for lamp dimmers to dim a Zigbee bulb. They can activate scenes, or run a routine. They can be an auxiliary wall switch without drilling large holes, running wires, or having an electrical box. And best of all, they are very inexpensive.

Hubitat and Lutron Pro Bridge are local, so unlike Wink things are INSTANT. There is no lag whatsoever.

Just remember that you need the Bridge Pro2, not the normal Bridge. The regular one won't work with Hubitat.

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@sclera2002 I'll also chime in. When using hubitat you're tying things together. Z-wave, zigbee, clear connect (lutron), some wifi devices. If you want more than just light switches (lets say light bulbs in a table lamp that can't be controlled by switches) or motion sensors, or contact sensors you will need Hubitat. For something as simple as unlocking my front door either via presence sensor (located in my glove box) or by keypad or even physical key, that then turns on certain lights in the house so I'm not looking for a switch, requires something that can process that rule. That rule looks like this. I also have a secondary notification that broadcasts on the speaker Welcome Home %whomeverunlockedthedoor% But as said, if you just want to control a few switches then you don't need Hubitat.

I also have a possible reason for getting a Hubitat. One of the reasons I don't have any Lutron devices is that they only had a "favorite" button on the Pico remote at the Caseta level (they make some that do have that "favorite" button, but they are much more expensive).

My son is buying a home and was thinking of going Lutron, but also was turned off my this shortcoming.

However, Hubitat continues to improve, and one of the things they now have are "hub variables". With those you can set one to capture all kinds of things. In the test I just did I created one to capture the level of a particular dimmer whenever its level changes.

I was then able to create a simple button rule that says whenever I turn on that light use the level that was stored in that variable.

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The biggest thing for Lutron are that they are tanks. They don't suffer from mesh issues (since they are hub and spoke), pico batteries last 10+ years. I have honestly never seen a bad one... While some don't like the aesthetic (I much do) it's hard to deny their reliability...

I agree with the others - if all you want is simple lighting control and automations and are okay with the vendor lock-in + somewhat limited selection (but arguably more reliable) and higher priced devices available, stick with Lutron. You can always incorporate the Hubitat later if desired...

Thanks for all the replies. I have several buildings on the property that are connected via 1 network (1 SSID) (I have 4 Lutron hubs, one in each building). If I have 1 Hubitat hub, can it control all the Lutron hubs through the network? Or would I have to have a 1 to 1 ratio of Hubitat hubs to Lutron hubs?

You can control all of them. Just add an integration for each lutron hub

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Yes, but keeping in mind that the Lutron Bridges and Hubitat are all Ethernet not WiFi, so each building will need to have at least one available Ethernet port, two in the building that has the bridge and Hubitat...

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I thought technically HE could do WiFi but it's not recommended due to wireless reliability concerns and you'd need an adapter etc etc. Just mentioning it for the OCDish folks like myself apparently. :wink:

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If you can be OCD, so can I ...

technically even Lutron could do WiFi, using a wireless ethernet bridge.

And I used to think this @mike.maxwell guy was so smart :rofl:

Just funning around, Mike!

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I wouldn't even consider running the hub and three pro bridges over WiFi...

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Ok. Just so I've got it straight.

I can have 4 Lutron Bridges connected via ethernet to routers in 4 different buildings. All the routers are on the same network. In one of the buildings I can have the Hubitat Hub connected via ethernet. Then I would be able to control any Lutron switch in any of the 4 buildings. (So the Hubitat hub wouldn't be communicating wirelessly to the Lutron hubs, but through the network?)

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Exactly! And this is why you need the pro version of the Caséta Smartbridge and not the non-pro version.

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Just to clarify you will need to have each bridge in each building... Be aware too that range is around 35 feet per switch and you can have 2 repeaters per bridge (one lutron wireless bridge and one dimmer which also acts as a repeater)

Lutron states a 30 ft range from the bridge + additional 30 ft with a repeater but in practice and in my experience the range is much farther.

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I was being a bit conservative...

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