Using Lutron Dimmer Off button as trigger

I would like to use the Off button on a Lutron dimmer as the trigger for a rule. I would like the trigger to fire regardless of whether the dimmer itself is currently on or off. However, from the logs, it seems the Off button push is only recognized if the dimmer is currently on.

When the dimmer is currently on and I push the Off button, the logs show the message from the Lutron Smart Bridge followed by the device recognizing it has been turned off, and finally the rule triggering:

[app:753] 2024-01-15 12:17:58.972 PM [info] Triggered: Up W Bedroom Lights physical off

[app:753] 2024-01-15 12:17:58.956 PM [info] Event: Up W Bedroom Lights switch off

[dev:366] 2024-01-15 12:17:58.922 PM [info] Up W Bedroom Lights was turned off [physical]

[dev:74] 2024-01-15 12:17:58.913 PM [info] rcvd: OUTPUT,23,1,0.00

However, if the Dimmer is currently off, only the message from the Smart Bridge appears in the logs. There is nothing from the device (and therefore the trigger does not fire either):

[dev:74] 2024-01-15 12:17:31.195 PM [info] rcvd: OUTPUT,23,1,0.00

Perhaps what I'm really looking for is a "Button Push" event from a Lutron Dimmer, but seems an actual Lutron Dimmer is not an eligible device for that (Lutron Pico's are).

If a dimmer or switch is already off, then there is no “off” event generated in the hub’s database, which you’ve already surmised. And I believe you’re correct that a Lutron dimmer can’t be treated as a button device.

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