This is exactly my setup, I have picos (almost 50 of them) covering aeon v2 micros.
Couldn’t agree more. However, the hub does become the single point of potential failure, so I wouldn’t do this for anyone else without a spare hub on hand. The cost is so low, it makes a lot of sense to have an extra.
Hi,
I know this is an older post but I'm new.
Can someone provide a link to where I can buy the Lutron PD-5WCL I tried searching for it but every Lutron smart switch I see requires a neutral, except a dimmer switch (but I don't want a dimmer since the light I'm controlling is a ceiling fan/light combo and I read you can't use dimmers on fans).
All the switches (non-dimmers) require a neutral. However, you can use a dimmer on a fan if you separate out the wiring for the lights from the fan wiring. If you can do it, I'd put in a two gang box (if you have a single right now) and have two switches; One for the fan and one for the lights.
Or, alternatively (and probably the better solution), you could get the Hampton Bay controller (https://www.homedepot.com/p/Hampton-Bay-Universal-Wink-Enabled-White-Ceiling-Fan-Premier-Remote-Control-99432/206591100) and either the built-in driver or this one: Hampton Bay Zigbee Fan Controller Driver (with Component Devices)
You will have to go through a Lutron dealer or electrical supply that will sell to consumers. Here's a link to what you're looking for. Take note the part number is different than what you listed but it's a Caseta Pro 2 wire switch.
https://www.beeslighting.com/lutron-switch-controls/p/PD-5WS-DV-WH
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This PDF describes the differences between the PD-5WS-DV and the PD-6ANS
This is not true. The PD-5WS-DV that others linked to above is a simple on/off switch that doesn’t require a neutral wire. I have several, with no neutrals in my switch boxes. And I’m pretty sure it’s available on amazon (or at least it has been in the past).
Ah, my mistake. I had thought the 5WS was also a dimmer.
I bought one of the non-dimmer casetas a while back under the assumption that it would not require neutrals. Unfortunately by the time I was ready to install the switch and realized it required a neutral, my return period had passed.
Thanks for the link to this one...just ordered one.
It's on Amazon for $77. I ordered it from the link above. It came up to $65 including shippping.
I ordered it from here a while ago.
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I am not saying you should do this but some people think it is perfectly OK (and legal) to connect the neutral wire that the switch has to the GROUND wire in your box.
Yes- some switches that say they don't require a neutral ACTUALLY do run current through this ground connection.
Do your research before you try anything like this
I’m not an electrician, but from what I have read, the people who think doing that is “ok” don’t actually know what they’re talking about.
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I live in West Virginia and even people here know better than to do that 
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Numerous switches that "dont requite a neutral" DO require a ground wire. If you don't hook up the ground wire they don't work... which means the ground wire is used as a current path. You can measure a few uA going down that wire. Say what you want... but look it up in the NEC before you dismiss the idea. 
That's all I am going to say about it... don't want to get into an argument.
@jeubanks What part of West Virginia are you in??
Eastern Panhandle near Martinsburg
We’ve had some neutral not required switches released in the UK by Den which actually click over the switches on the faceplate. They use earth leakage and were approved by the powers that be.
However the risk is that any earth leakage breakers sense this and cut your power. This is not going to happen with a couple of such switches but the leakage current is cumulative and so install a lot and you may experience this issue.
I hadn't thought of these Third Reality switches. I have 5 of the gen1 versions installed to manage some circuits with beaucoup 3-way & 4-way switches. Work pretty well. Battery, though.
https://www.amazon.com/Third-Reality-Smart-Switch-RealitySwitch/dp/B07K3TRG6W/
There are some Centralite and Lightify cover over switches too, for what that’s worth.
