Sinope Water Valve with Flow Sensor (FS4220/FS4221)

Hoping the RM3500ZB will at least work as a generic zigbee switch until we have full support.

That's great news Mike. Thanks!

FYI: I've watch the youtube live tonight, If you want to be fancy, know that the accent in the company name make's it pronounced as "Sinopey". Sinopé products are designed in the french canadian province of Quebec :slightly_smiling_face:

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hahaha, I was going to mention it to @mike.maxwell in a PM but there you go. I actually work 2 buildings from them and can see there signboard all day long, would this be considered subliminale messages to buy there products? :thinking:

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Talked to Sinopé's tech support ( for details about their BF WE deals) . He pretends Hubitat's will support only RM3500ZB in ON/OFF mode. Probably he refers to Generic Zigbee.... remains to be seen...

I don't see why Mike could not add temp and water detection as those are usually standard Zigbee protocol messages. Of course the part about making sure that the water temp does not go under xx° C or F could also be easily implemented in the driver (this would be ideal), it will most likely have to be implemented via RM or some custom app.

I have met with them (Sinope) a few times at expos and each and every time, was told that sure, HE is a good hub BUT you should use our hub to get better integrations. So each time I tell them that they should have a local API and let HE make a bridge app, then maybe I would consider one. For now all the functions there hub does I can do via custom apps with HE so sorry, will not buy one of your hubs today :frowning: :man_shrugging:

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I use Sinopé Load Controller for driver or Moisture Sensor to have temp sensor (Celcius)


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Should receive mine tomorrow, at least we will be able to use it until a proper driver comes out!

Received mine. Will give it a try between Xmass & New year.

@mike.maxwell did Sinopé send you a RM3500ZB Water Heater controller?

They even have put Hubitat logo on the box!

Can't wait to add this to my power saving routines.

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they haven't as of yet, though Ive asked for one...

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@mike.maxwell I reached out to Sinopé tech support to ask that they send you one. We'll see... :crossed_fingers:t2:

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@mike.maxwell tech support has replied that it is planned to send you a RM3500ZB. Should be done in January.

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@mike.maxwell Any update on the RM3500ZB ? I spoke with tech support last friday and they told me they were almost ready to send you one unit, but they couldn't tell me when exactly.

Nothing yet

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How to you use 2 differents drivers : the load controller and moisture sensor ? I use the load controler and it works great but i'm missing the temperature :frowning:

Succesfully installed a VA4220ZB with the FS4220 flow sensor and getting flow rates. Thanks !!

@mike.maxwell I wonder if the device can report volume as well. After all, volume should be directly proportional to the sensor turbine' rotation count. @samuel.c.auclair 's custom driver hints at this, but it doesn't work for me (I don't get anything from the flow sensor when using it).

I'm using this to monitor usage on a drilled well.

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Yes the custom driver was to perform some test on how to get this flow/volume because at the time the default driver was not giving those values. I should remove it.

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It does not report volume.

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Thanks.

In that case, I wonder what is the standard way of interpreting flow sensor readings (and does this flow sensor follow that standard) ?

  • value is valid only at the instant it is reported
  • value is an average since the last report
  • other?

What I am seeing in the logs is that after a period of time for which water is flowing, the sensor will report a low value (1 or 2 LPM) and then... nothing until there's a new call for water. I can check that there is actually no water flowing using a manual ball valve upstream of the VA4220ZB. When a new water call happens (e.g. toilet flush) a zero gets reported (does this mean it's averaged zero LPM since last report?) then a bunch of values every 5 seconds or so, as expected.

I didn't see this 1 forever then a zero reading thing...
i was testing the meter at the end of the valve fed from a garden hose, the device ran to 0 when the valve was closed.

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