My point there, which I clearly didn't write, is just about reliability. The one time you get that level of an attack where your security stuff is not a deterrent, you need your system to work without intervention.
There was another one more localized near my general area with one guy who was using a wireless jammer. He fortunately got caught too.
I do and I trust it fully. I also have cameras as well. Just I side note, I work for my local 911 center. We get false alarms all the time from the paid services. In fact , probably to the tune of 98% are false. I have yet to have a false alarm that the wife or I didn't cause ourselves. Also, the time from alarm activation until time we are notified is quite long sometimes. With mine I know instantly.
I do too.. I can have a spirited debate without taking offense..
Well that's a different conversation and not exclusive to any setup.
I could never fully trust any HA system for anything mission critical. But that's just me.
Me too.
Not mutually exclusive scenarios. My system not only contacts a monitoring service but alerts me instantly which is great but I know there is someone else contacting help if I can't.
For my home we use Hubutat and Ring Alarm.
Hubitat is used for our primary alarm - in particular for Sleep mode.
For extended away/Vacation - we turn Ring Alarm on thanks to it's 24hr monitoring, battery backup (I also have my hubitat on an UPS) and cellular backup.
This combo has been fantastic. For example when Ring is enabled I have Hubitate kill the power to my garage door via a zigbee smart plug, it doubles down and does some light mimics. I have it play a song on my Sonos when there is motion detected at my door, etc.
All in all, the best of both worlds for me.
No idea why this thread is now about the cost of the system. Wasnāt even a question.
If youāre building the house, wired sensors do make sense if your at the stage in building where that still makes sense.
Iām also in the dedicated alarm camp. Thereās an unofficial integration with Hubitat Elevation thatās really good (all warnings aside). Even if the integration stopped working Iād still be happy with the cost of the Ring Alarm system, the features, its reliability, and the optional service cost.
Ring offers a complete package that can work with existing wired sensors for $375
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That started in the 5th post and I think it's more about the 'value', it's a valid consideration.
That's a nice option too, particularly if you're already in the Ring camp.
No, you don't need to be in the Ring camp. I just have the Ring Alarm. No other Ring devices.
Sure, but the OP never asked it. 
Didn't say you had to be. I'll rephrase it to be more clear..
Hmmm
Can you please expand upon how you do this?? And how it works? If you don't respond, does Noon light dispatch 911? Is it for fire, smoke, CO and intrusion , or only one of them?
We've used their service with Hubitat for over 3 years now and have been very happy with them. They respond within seconds of Hubitat (HSM) triggering with a phone call and text messages. They only call one phone number but will text with multiple numbers at the same time so if you miss the call or are unavailable someone else can cancel false alarms etc. I don't believe they can determine what is triggering the alarm (police, fire, flood etc. although there are options for these in the driver/app) but they do contact the police shortly after if you don't cancel in time. We had this happen last year where we were in a no cell coverage area but we added our neighbor to the account for text. They sent the police and communicated with our neighbor. (turned out to be a bad contact sensor of course .
I just followed the instructions here:
If you need a certificate for your homeowners insurance they can provide that as well. After the discount on our premium I think we only pay about $3/mon.
I hope this helps and am happy to answer any other questions you may have. It may sound like I'm promoting them, but I am in no way affiliated with them. Just a happy customer and glad that they integrate with my beloved Hubitat.
P.S. I believe they are affiliated with Konnected who wrote the integration for Hubitat for their Konnected Device, however I don't own one and am instead using the amazing Hubduino integration to monitor all my contact sensors. Neither is need to use this though.
I suppose you could plug it into a UPS for backup power.
Is there any cost effective way to get a backup cell signal with this system?
Correct, everything is on a UPS backup, including Hubduino.
Haven't done a cell backup yet...but its been in the back of my mind. Not too worried about internet going down or burglar cutting cable internet line (not easily accessible for my home).
I also have a camera system with AI object detection...so I know as soon as anyone steps foot on the property well before they get to anything they could potentially sabotage.
Blue iris and several cheap cams, linked into HE.
Nodemcu's / konnected everywhere hooked up to motion sensors, cheap contact sensors, and an rfid panel for ease.
Android phone with tasker and a payg sim to cover alerts.
Minimal cost, total reliability as far as I'm concerned.
Hardwired alarm systems are relics of the past. Modern professional wireless alarm systems are highly reliable.
Security and home automation are two entirely different things. Many alarm panels also include some level of home automation, and many home automation systems also include some level of security. That doesn't mean an all-in-one solution is optimal.
You have to decide what is important to you. For me the security and safety of my family and pets is paramount, and I won't trust that to anything but a professional-grade alarm system that is monitored 24/7, and uses cellular as its primary communication path.
Nothing against Hubitat (or any other HA system) but I would never trust it to monitor smoke detectors or intrusion sensors. Not that it can't, it's simply not designed to do so with the same reliability as a dedicated alarm system. If something goes wrong and a light doesn't go on when I want it to, it's a minor annoyance. If a smoke detector trips and nothing happens, someone could die or my house could burn down.
Dedicated alarm systems are closed systems that don't allow themselves to be compromised by user-supplied apps and device drivers or misconfiguration (for the most part). A home automation system that doesn't allow that kind of flexibility wouldn't be terribly useful. These two things are at odds with each other.
While I agree completely with the rest of your post, I think this is a probably a bit of a harsh assessment , no battery changes required and pretty much bulletproof (unless the sensor fails of course or mice chew on the cables.)
I suppose there might be cases where hardwired sensors still make sense, but in a typical residential system?
Wireless sensors are just as bulletproof as wired ones, if not more so. All you have to do is short out the wire going to a hardwired sensor to disable it (or use a properly sized resistor). Modern wireless devices have unique ids and encrypted communications between the panel and each sensor. A sensor cannot easily be spoofed and even if you jammed the frequencies, the panel would report a trouble condition at the very least.
Yes, you have to replace batteries but I've had a system in my house for almost four years now and I'm just starting to have to replace batteries. Then you have the cost of wiring, and no matter how careful you are, you can't completely hide the wiring.
I wasn't trying to get into a philosophical debate (again I agree with your comments about reliability of modern systems) about which is better.
Many residential systems predate wireless and are still running just fine decades later. Upgrading the control unit to any other brand is also fairly simple especially if you don't need to replace the sensors with more modern ones.
Cable terminations into a PIR aren't exposed on the outside and you have to either cut the cable or open the case to do this. Either way the sensor tamper or the NC connection will trip. In any case if you can reach the sensor without tripping it then I'd say it's a poorly installed system anyway.
Just to be clear I was only taking umbrage at this part "relics of the past", nothing more. 
I'm sure there are plenty of hybrid wired/wireless installs everywhere.
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