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Beaming is a function of Z-Wave to queue messages that are sleeping. The z-wave term used is to "mailbox" the messages until they can be received by the end point device. This is most common with locks and thermostat's that are battery powered. These devices are knows as FLIRS or frequently listening. Locks and battery thermostat's sleep and wakeup every couple of seconds to check for messages. The need for "beaming" repeaters is due to this periodic wakeup-checkin thing dones by FLIRS devices.

It is possible for the devices to communicate directly with the hub. However the z-wave controller provides no guarantee that all of these types of messages will be processed or in a timely fashion which is why beaming repeaters are so useful with locks and devices.

Not all repeaters support "beaming". This is why switches do nothing for these types of devices. Most in wall outlets does support beaming as well as dedicated "repeaters" like the aeotec devices. Some plugin units support beaming but not all. You have to check the device specifications for what they actually support. The Z-Wave product DB is the best source for this information.

https://products.z-wavealliance.org/

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That's correct. AEOTEC's extender (6) have worked well for me. I've turned off my Zwave in my IRIS plugs and only use them now for the locks and door sensors I have that support it. Seems like my Zwave mesh is 'cleaner'....I just got 2 more and added them today. I'll let things settle down and report back to see if it resolved a specific issue I was having. Hope this helps.

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I also put one of these less than 4 feet from the door. It does say beaming is supported, but again the locks do not use it.

With Z-Wave Plus you can't pick and choose where and how a device is going to route messages.

Beaming is to help the controller more than the device as the device will send some messages direct and others not and the controller will use the beaming device because of the locks sleeping. When you send a "get status" and the lock is asleep the controller isn't going to sit around waiting so the message needs to be "mailboxed" until the lock responds.

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Is there any way to help this "mailboxing" occur. Should I move the hub back inside my metal rack and put the beaming device just outside it, in "hopes" it will choose to use it? I am just trying to understand my options, thanks for putting up with my questions.

Inside the metal rack is probably not going to help things :slight_smile:

Having at least one repeater in room with the hub and another nearby the lock(s) will help but is not an absolute "fix".

There's also other things in play here. I can repeat what the Z-Wave Specs say and what the docs say and what the z-wave training says but the real world works differently with each home/environment requiring some trial/error. You have a zniffer so that can help. If you have a laptop that will help so you can move around and see if you have dead zones.

With the zniffer it's important to watch and see... is a message from Hub -> device being sent? Was it received? Was an Ack sent back? Are device messages being received? Being Ack'ed? If there's a break in the communication line then something is either not making it or something (hub or device) are not responding correctly.

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I have tried restarting the hub, but that still didn't seem to fix it. The outlet plug/repeater I have (GE 28169) is a Z-Wave plus but HE shows it as a Generic Z-Wave Smart Switch. I also have a Inovelli Z-Wave Switch Red Series which has a repeater in it, but it is in the basement away from both locks.

I will try picking up a Aeotec Range Extender and report back if that works.

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I have an Alfred DB2 smart lock. I have it literally 13 steps from a repeater and 2 steps from that all on the same level is the Alfred lock. @april.brandt and I have been talking about this for days now and she mentioned this thread. My issue is this...from the dashboard as well as the device page, I can lock and unlock my lock without issue. The issue is that HE doesn't know the 'state' of the lock has changed UNLESS I manually hit the REFRESH button in the device page. I've waited hours to see if it ever does and nothing. There have been, i think 3 HE updates recently...prior to those I was able to instantly see the 'state' change of this lock. I updated only because the new updates made the lock work with Lock Code Manager. Now I wish I had just left it alone. I truly do not think this is a distance issue. I'm using the AEOTEC 6 repeaters.

I don't think your issues are mesh related.

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do you still have a back up from before the updates? Perhaps request one and see?

No, worried about going backwards. I am thinking act getting a 2nd HE, might consider it then. Right now, just frustrated with this.

@jonasd1 I know workarounds are no solution but have you tried the Reliable locks app? It asks for lock refreshes after actions, and can request retires. Might be worth a shot.

It's one of the mixers in a cocktail :tropical_drink: of apps I use to "fix" my locks (not @april.brandt approved :joy:)

So the first one doesn't work right and the answer is to buy a second one?

I really think you should wait for the zniffer. That way you know what you're up against.

Yes, I'm actually using that on my August Lock I have upstairs. I hadn't thought about it for the Alfred lock. You might have something there. Would I be able to use it for 2 different locks?

LOL, I can see where you drew that conclusion. But getting a new one to do the same thing, that wouldnt' actually make a lot of sense would it? :wink: Anyway, the point of the 2nd was to use the version prior to the upgrade and just put the lock on there to test it.

Yes I have it on three separate locks each as a "instance" configurable separately.

I got the USB Zwave device yesterday. I am going to have to go through the zsniffer setups and get it set up when I get a chance. I have a bit of work to do for my job this evening, then that's next on the list.

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I just thought of something. You know that the aeotecs flash a light on the side when it's repeating. Are you getting that on yours when manipulating the lock?
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that's what the aeotec documentation said, anyway.

Really, I have NEVER seen that. The only time i see the light is when I press and hold it until the purple light comes up, then let it go and wait for green or red. Green means it's connected. What scenario makes it light up??? Let me get my google on...ugh I gotta get some work done but now you got me curious!

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