S2 Authenticated devices [C7]

Yeah, but I remember having bought my C7 without any certification, also the prior versions seemed to work fine without, or has a certification not been necessary because of the external Z-Wave stick?
Just curious. :wink:

Look at all the problems Hubitat had with devices that didn't work. Many weren't actually functional with the "reference standard" 700 series Z-Wave hub. That allowed the Hubitat folks to push back on the device manufacturers.

Without enforced standards, it's nearly impossible to have good interactions between manufacturers. Things will "silo"and you'll be locked into an essentially proprietary solution.

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Here you will always find the truth:

I don’t see how that is possible. The C-7 obtained certification on July 8, 2020, and the announcement of availability was on July 21.

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While both true, Hubitat's certification was not officially announced until August 14:

So, everyone had one; they just didn't know it yet. :slight_smile:

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Yep, maybe things were just overlapping.
Received my EU-unit on August 13 and found that it was not listed in the Z-Wave database yet.
I feel fine even without any labels. :wink:

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On a side note, as we look to figure out why a switch is slow or unresponsive, I have found the zwave page to be unhelpful at best. I have a hard time believing the route it is reporting and/or speeds. I've already seen a number of times where one route is listed at 40kbps or below and yet the same path with another hop added on to it at the end is at 100kbps.

I added in a bunch of switches throughout the house to improve the mesh and let it sit overnight. When I look at it now, It's reporting a route for a motion detector that used to be direct to the hub (last night but at 40kbps) and I moved right next to another motion detector, as now going in the opposite direction of the motion detector to a switch, outside the house into an area I know is weak, bouncing around there and supposedly then returning.

01 -> 30 -> 39 -> 32 -> 1E -> 06 40kbps

keep in mind the one RIGHT next to it has a route that looks like this:

01 -> 07 100kbps

Actually the first time I've seen a device using all 4 hops. :wink:
Is the MS6 battery-powered?
I have 3 of them mains-powered and found all of them using routes that seemed implausible from time to time.

Did you try to wake up the right device and do a repair for it, to see if he route changes?

Maybe we could try to find some common things we found in our Z-Wave networks?
Here are some of my findings.

  1. similar severe problems as described above only started for me after including some FLiRS, some lags used to happen before, too.
  2. i find always the same mains-powered S2-enabled devices stated as "not responding" or more rarely as "failed". What thay have in common is the fact, that each of them is routed directly to HE.
    Intereresting, 4 of them are Aeotec SmartSwitch 7, and the only one I had been not able to catch with such issues is the one routing throug another device.

What I would be curious about, are all routes calculated new, when nodes that are used as routing devices are reported as "not responding"?

Anyone to confirm similar obeservations?

I am in the process of replacing all of my switches to the Inovelli red series switches. I noticed a few of them were paired with no security while all of the other ones paired with S2. Should I try repair the switches until they all show S2? Or does it not really matter?

Depends what build of hub firmware you are running as well as what firmware on the switch. If your running at least 2.2.2.148 hub firmware and the latest switch firmware you should be fine. Prior firmware versions had issues with S2 bootstrapping.

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