Room Lighting: Motion Stays time over

[Smith]

Hi,

I tried to do simple automation with room lighting to turn on/off lights based on motion sensor. They never turn off and shoot message "Motion Stays time over".

What exactly causes this message ?

[johnwill1]

I’ve had similar a couple of times and never got to the bottom of it. The logs end at ‘motion stays time over’ but that should be followed with a turn off event for the lights which is missing, as though the rule doesn’t complete.

[bertabcd1234]

Looks like you have two motion sensors selected but only one became and stayed inactive. (If you want both for both purposes, combining them with a Zone Motion Controller should work. If you don't -- although that's not how your automation is written now -- you'd need something else, which I think is why I ended up not using RL for many of my setups, though I can't remember at the moment...)

[bill.d]

@bertabcd1234

two motion sensors selected but only one became and stayed inactive.

Room Lighting works as OP expected in this configuration. The off is scheduled when the last active sensor becomes inactive even if the other(s) were never active. It does not require all sensors to be active at some point during the monitored timeframe.

The logs indicate the off was scheduled, hard to know why there's no off command. I'd suggest the OP try a new rule from scratch.

Also Bruce's explanation that Zone Motion Controllers are almost never necessary,

Room Lighting Bug?

The purpose of Zone Motion Controller is to deal with False Motion Reduction. The other two options were added for completeness. However, Motion Aggregation and Triggered Activation functions of ZMC are entirely redundant to the corresponding functions in every built-in app that deals with motion sensors. Unless you need False Motion Reduction, using Zone Motion Controller makes all of your motion driven automations less efficient, adding extra time to triggers, and adds an extra unnecessary …

[Smith]

I previously used motion lights plus (i think). it had issue of not turning lights off (i think some issue with scheduled off task not running from some reason). so I moved to room lighting in attempt to resolve it

[Smith]

tried from scratch. same outcome

[bertabcd1234]

@bill.d

Room Lighting works as OP expected in this configuration.

It is for me now, but this is odd, because I definitely remember it not doing so before -- which is why I ended up using something else in the automations I alluded to above. I haven't used RL recently, and it's possible something changed from my original test, or maybe I had an unusual combination of settings. I tried an import from ML at one point (where I had additional "don't turn off" sensors only) that may have contributed, but I'm not sure anymore. I didn't spend much time troubleshooting since this was an experiment of curiosity, not a need I had.

@Smith

previously used motion lights plus (i think).

I'm not familiar with anything named that. However, if you are referring to this app, it is one I wrote: [RELEASE] Lights on Motion Plus (dim before off, remember individual bulb states, etc.). You could probably get some help with that if you enabled all logging and shared that in the topic.

@Smith

scheduled off task not running from some reason

You might also want to try a Settings > Reboot with the "rebuild database" option selected under "Advanced." One app might be a rare bug or user error, but two makes me think something else is wrong. If it's database corruption, this might help.