Matter Support Released

[jason12]

Interesting. I am about to do this with my E1 roller shade motors. Hipefully k will have time this weekend!

[neonturbo]

@lcw731

I'll admit, I'm not totally sold on matter yet. I won't be going out of my way to replace working devices with matter. At this point it's interesting to play with.

Mostly the same here. It is still a bit of a novelty at this point. I am somewhat surprised that there aren't more Matter devices available. It seems to be limited to mostly bulbs and a few other items at this point, not a full range of stuff that I thought we would see.

But then again, I was making fun of the people various places online who predicted that Matter would be a instant hit, and would take over the world in no time. Zigbee and Z-wave were toast! They were switching all their devices to Matter!!!

That was probably 2 years ago now. I said then that it would be years upon years before Matter took hold, and I guess I was right. Meanwhile, Zigbee and Z-wave seem to be the same as ever, I don't see any evidence their market share has dropped significantly.

[lcw731]

@neonturbo

But then again, I was making fun of the people various places online who predicted that Matter would be a instant hit, and would take over the world in no time. Zigbee and Z-wave were toast! They were switching all their devices to Matter!!!

That was probably 2 years ago now. I said then that it would be years upon years before Matter took hold, and I guess I was right. Meanwhile, Zigbee and Z-wave seem to be the same as ever, I don't see any evidence their market share has dropped significantly

I am still and will, for the foreseeable future, be a fan of Z-wave. If matter becomes more stable, and there are more devices available AND those devices can fulfil my needs better than Z-wave, I will consider them. I may still consider Matter to get rid of my last three ZigBee bulbs and will replace my hue sensors with z-wave when the 800LR Zooz outdoor motion sensors are rereleased. Generally, I want to move away from Zigbee.

[dJOS]

@lcw731

am still, and probably will be for the foreseeable future, a fan of Z-wave.

Same, I see matter being good for colour bulbs and smart appliances, but for most other things I’ll stick to zwave too.

[danabw]

What's the general recommendation when trouble-shooting flaky devices. I have a Tapo Matter Wi-Fi plug that started not responding consistently to commands (control via Pico/button rules and from the Device page).

I ended up removing it from HE and also from Googel Home commissioning device, and re-adding it. Should I have saved time (and frustration, joining using GH app is still an unreliable PITA) and just removed/re-added to HE? Likely same results either way, or ?

[kkossev]

It is difficult to say what could be the reason for this instability, without having any statistical or debugging data.

You can experiment with the Matter Bridge driver, it counts the number of the re-initialisations when the Matter device does not respond when pinged. By default, the Ping period is 15 minutes.

[jvm33]

@neonturbo

Mostly the same here. It is still a bit of a novelty at this point. I am somewhat surprised that there aren't more Matter devices available. It seems to be limited to mostly bulbs and a few other items at this point, not a full range of stuff that I thought we would see.

Many bulbs and switches, also among currently on-sale devices there are also a few locks and thermostats, RGB strip light controllers, roller shades, an air purifier, motion and light sensors, door/window contact sensors. Lots more that has passed certification, but still not readily available. More complete list of what has passed certification is here: CSA Matter Certified Devices

[Reigh]

Recently I got Zemismart Matter Wifi 6-gang Wall Switch and tried to pair HE.
Generic Matter Multi-Endpoint Switch driver has been assigned automatically.
Pairing was OK but nothing working. Is there any other driver for the switch?

Product URL is: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005007203967676.html?spm=a2g0o.order_list.order_list_main.5.6ba11802TYjJpi

The device information in HE:

Controller Type: MAT

Data:

• endpointId: 01
• hardwareVersion: 1.0
• inClusters: 0003,0004,0005,0006,001D,001E
• isMultiEP: true
• manufacturer: Zemismart Technology Limited
• model: Zemismart WiFi Smart Switch
• outClusters: 0003,0006
• serialNumber: ce72d13f5dd742f19f5d769891b67f4b
• softwareVersion: 1.6
• uniqueId: 70a8366bcd7672df

When I added the switch to Homekit, all six buttons were shown and worked fine.

[kkossev]

Switch temporarily to the HE inbuilt 'Device' driver, click on 'Get Info' and post the fingerprints for all endpoints that should appear in the live logs.

Have you refreshed the device web page to see whether the Generic Matter Multi-Endpoint Switch driver has not created 6 child devices?

[Reigh]

I got following:

dev:1452024-07-08 08:25:57.681 PMinfofingerprint endpointId:"06", inClusters:"0003,0004,0005,0006,001D,001E", outClusters:"0003,0006", model:"Zemismart WiFi Smart Switch", manufacturer:"Zemismart Technology Limited", controllerType:"MAT"

dev:1452024-07-08 08:25:57.680 PMinfofingerprint endpointId:"05", inClusters:"0003,0004,0005,0006,001D,001E", outClusters:"0003,0006", model:"Zemismart WiFi Smart Switch", manufacturer:"Zemismart Technology Limited", controllerType:"MAT"

dev:1452024-07-08 08:25:57.678 PMinfofingerprint endpointId:"04", inClusters:"0003,0004,0005,0006,001D,001E", outClusters:"0003,0006", model:"Zemismart WiFi Smart Switch", manufacturer:"Zemismart Technology Limited", controllerType:"MAT"

dev:1452024-07-08 08:25:57.677 PMinfofingerprint endpointId:"03", inClusters:"0003,0004,0005,0006,001D,001E", outClusters:"0003,0006", model:"Zemismart WiFi Smart Switch", manufacturer:"Zemismart Technology Limited", controllerType:"MAT"

dev:1452024-07-08 08:25:57.676 PMinfofingerprint endpointId:"02", inClusters:"0003,0004,0005,0006,001D,001E", outClusters:"0003,0006", model:"Zemismart WiFi Smart Switch", manufacturer:"Zemismart Technology Limited", controllerType:"MAT"

dev:1452024-07-08 08:25:57.673 PMinfofingerprint endpointId:"01", inClusters:"0003,0004,0005,0006,001D,001E", outClusters:"0003,0006", model:"Zemismart WiFi Smart Switch", manufacturer:"Zemismart Technology Limited", controllerType:"MAT"

dev:1452024-07-08 08:25:40.128 PMinfofingerprint endpointId:"06", inClusters:"0003,0004,0005,0006,001D,001E", outClusters:"0003,0006", model:"Zemismart WiFi Smart Switch", manufacturer:"Zemismart Technology Limited", controllerType:"MAT"

dev:1452024-07-08 08:25:40.127 PMinfofingerprint endpointId:"05", inClusters:"0003,0004,0005,0006,001D,001E", outClusters:"0003,0006", model:"Zemismart WiFi Smart Switch", manufacturer:"Zemismart Technology Limited", controllerType:"MAT"

dev:1452024-07-08 08:25:40.125 PMinfofingerprint endpointId:"04", inClusters:"0003,0004,0005,0006,001D,001E", outClusters:"0003,0006", model:"Zemismart WiFi Smart Switch", manufacturer:"Zemismart Technology Limited", controllerType:"MAT"

dev:1452024-07-08 08:25:40.120 PMinfofingerprint endpointId:"03", inClusters:"0003,0004,0005,0006,001D,001E", outClusters:"0003,0006", model:"Zemismart WiFi Smart Switch", manufacturer:"Zemismart Technology Limited", controllerType:"MAT"

dev:1452024-07-08 08:25:40.119 PMinfofingerprint endpointId:"02", inClusters:"0003,0004,0005,0006,001D,001E", outClusters:"0003,0006", model:"Zemismart WiFi Smart Switch", manufacturer:"Zemismart Technology Limited", controllerType:"MAT"

dev:1452024-07-08 08:25:40.117 PMinfofingerprint endpointId:"01", inClusters:"0003,0004,0005,0006,001D,001E", outClusters:"0003,0006", model:"Zemismart WiFi Smart Switch", manufacturer:"Zemismart Technology Limited", controllerType:"MAT"

After refreshed no child devices created. Current States section of the device page showed nothing.

[kkossev]

Try the Matter Advanced Bridge package, I expect to be working with this device too.

[Reigh]

Wow, it's working!
I thought Matter Advanced Bridge was driver only for gateway or hub(like Zemismart M1 matter hub).
So, does it work for any matter-over-wifi devices?

BTW, thanks so much for your help.

[jason12]

Does anyone 'in the know' or on the devlopment team know when Locks will be supported in the Hubitat Matter implementation? I must admit, i dont know if this is a Matter constraint or an HE implementation one - im pretty sure it is the latter?

Is it on the roadmap at all, or is this 'won't implement' ever?

Thanks.

[kkossev]

@Reigh

Wow, it's working!

Zemismart is Tuya..... They know I will hunt them down until it works, so they surrendered without a fight this time!

[dJOS]

@bobbyD @support-agent i have a couple of Tapo L535 colour bulbs. Once I finally got them paired to Hubitat, I’ve been really happy with them.

The only issue is the level transitions from Hubitat takes forever! I can literally watch them count up or down 1 increment at a time.

I’ve tried every transition option and they make no difference to the speed. Is there a way to fix this? If I change the levels from HomeKit, the transition is very very quick.

Edit: looks like others are having the same issue:

Tapo L535 RGBW Bulb slow level transition

Testing a couple Matter bulbs on the HE platform. Adding was super easy…commission on their app, enter the setup code in HE, and voila! Very impressed! The only issue I have noticed is that level transitions are rather slow. Setting level directly to 100%, when device is @1%, can take around 30seconds to complete. Is this expected behavior due to the early stages of live deployment? Or something else? Just for comparison, setting the level on the Tapo app is instantaneous. Definitely is not a de…

[danabw]

@kkossev

They know I will hunt them down until it works

This is so very funny and so very true!!!

[jvm33]

@dJOS

The only issue is the level transitions from Hubitat takes forever! I can literally watch them count up or down 1 increment at a time.

Its a known problem with Tapo firmware - not a Hubitat issue (for reference, there's a posting in the HomeAssistant github explaining this issue and how they handled it: Matter (WiFi) bulbs transition very slowly after 2024.3.0 · Issue #113775 · home-assistant/core · GitHub).

[dJOS]

@jvm33

e - not a Hubitat issue

It’s strange that it isn’t an issue for Apple homekit or Amazon Alexa.

[jvm33]

@dJOS

It’s strange that it isn’t an issue for Apple homekit or Amazon Alexa.

I don't think Apple or Alexa allow you to control transitions - they just use the device defaults which, as I understand it, are simple brightness transitions. From the HomeAssistant bug reports, it looks like these delay issues occur when there are also transitions specified as part of the color change commands. Not 100% certain - I haven't really experienced the problem myself.

[rschumaker]

I had a lot of instability on my C8. Unstable to the point it would crash several times a day. Once I disabled Matter, the system regained stability. I don't have the logs but I saw network packets were blasting on neighbor solicitation and advertisement messages. This is part of ipv6 neighbor discovery protocol which I suspect Matter uses.