Loss of Remote Access and more

C5 hub running 2.3.9.174

This has happened on my parent's hub that I manage remote a few times now.

  1. They will report that they can no longer see devices connected to the hub on their Google Home App/Devices.
  2. I will then try to remote in to see what is going on. I cannot access the hub via Remote Access (they have a subscription).
  3. I remote into their laptop, and I can connect to the hub with Find My Hub on the PC.
  4. I don't see any errors in the log and can control everything fine directly on the hub.
  5. I reboot the hub and everything goes back to normal.

What should I start looking at? Their internet isn't the issue since I can remote into the PC, NVR, etc.

.174 is pretty new and you can see they have been working on this issue recently:

So did the issue happen with .174 or was it a prior build and its just on .174 now?

I have had this happen at the beginning of of the month, after an update. Thought I cured it but it resurfaced today, after updating to .174. Probably just coincidence but thought I would share.

What weird is the hub is online. The hub can ping cloudflare as well as cloud.Hubitat.Com but nothing can get to the hub through the Hubitat Cloud.

I forgot to mention, there is a band aid way you can try to keep the hub online / on cloud. Using the Hub Info v3 driver you can setup a cloud check where it will ping a cloud dashboard or maker API url and report the status as an attribute. You could then setup a rule to reboot he hub if the cloud check stays failed for a while.

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my "band aid" rule using hub info

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I don't recall it happening on a previous build, but definitely happening on .174. It's currently on .176 now.

for the first time in quite a while. my c8 passed the router reboot test on ver .176.. did not loose (or regained cannot tell) cloud connection.

@bobbyD @gopher.ny

hopefully this is NOW fixed.. will keep checking.

not sure why i was not taken seriously when if first reported this months ago and nobody looked into my hub to see what was going on!!!!

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We never take you seriously.

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Spoke too soon tested again and rebooted router and this time cloud is dead.

Net and dns are fine

I will leave it alone and see if it comes back up on its own before my reboot rule kicks in around 40 minutes from now.

Thanks for posting the screenshots. This is exactly what I am seeing on my C5. It seemed to start with 2.3.9.166. I will have to watch and see if it's happening when my router does it's scheduled reboots.

The odd thing is, knock on wood, no issues at all with my C5, but my parents' c5 has the issue.

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Please grab 2.3.9.177... we've narrowed down those cloud issues to DNS misconfigurations, and that version has some additional logic to straighten those out within a minute of occurence.

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Thats not my issue if yot look at my posts u will see dns is working fine when i have no cloud access. Its boggles my mind why you REFUSE to look at my engineering logs when i can induce a loss of cloud access at will

I think youโ€™re taking things a little personally.

Victorโ€™s a pretty busy guy overall.

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Nah, still doing it. In fact, the hub rebooted twice yesterday because it lost communication to the cloud.

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Can you PM me the hub id? I'll check the engineering logs on the hub. Well, as long as it's connected to the cloud...

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Mine rebooted on its own last night too. Is this the new internal behavior when loosing cloud connection? I.did a reboot and restore as was worried about corruption.

@gopher.ny I had this happen twice now recently, once on .177 and again on .180, this is on my main hub and I have been keeping it off beta versions as of late, just main releases.

I have been having some issues with my cable modem also, had to restart it a few times in the last few weeks, not sure if its coinciding with that. All other devices have been coming back online without issues.

I do not realize the hub lost the cloud until someone tries to use Alexa and it wont work, otherwise everything else in the house is pretty much controlled locally. Hub works perfectly normal except the cloud API is dead. Reboot brings it right back up.

I begrudgingly setup the cloud check in Hub Info driver and just need to setup a rule now to alert me if it goes offline. Have never had this problem before until 2.3.9

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Hi,

I think this happened to me 3x now, all in the past few months.

The first time this happened, I thought the Alexa integration broke.
I realized that I could use my web browser and go to the hubitat IP Address, login and control my zigbee and zwave devices from the hubitat page, but Alexa couldn't control them.
But after rebooting the hubitat by unplugging it, everything started working again and didn't think much of it.

About a month later, it happened a 2nd time. Once again, I only noticed when asking Alexa to control my hubitat devices doesn't work. The Hubitat App on my phone worked while on my home wifi, but disconnecting my wifi, the Hubitat App didn't work while on my cell network. Unplugged the hubitat and everything started working again. It's like Alexa or the App couldn't connect to hubitat from the internet/cloud, only locally.

This just happened to me again today and I realized there are some threads on this forum with people with similar issues. The hubitat is on Ethernet and I have a static IP assigned from the router, the hubitat is using the default network settings. Nothing has changed in the past year on my router/network, yet this problem just started 2 or 3 months ago.

I am currently on .174 and I'm updating to .180 at the moment to see if that's any better.

Did you use the shutdown option from the settings menu before unplugging the hub? You run a small risk of database corruption by just pulling the plug. Most people have been able to get the hub talking again by rebooting from the settings menu.