Sure, however the point of HA is to make life easier, if family members need to get their phone out to use an app, then it's hardly easier.
Voice assistants really fill in the gap here - eg "Alexa, turn off all the lights" is much quicker and easier than getting out your phone, opening an app, finding the right room or dashboard and toggling the lights off.
It’s all good. But also, sometimes, I really don’t feel like talking to google. Because, it responds. At night, sometimes, a silent action is perfect.
This is all great. I prefer simplicity. I’ve tried this, but found if you sit still too long, the lights shut off. Either way, if you want an immediate action, outside of the normal automation, you require a method. Inhave removed all my Motion lighting and just restrict motion sensors to activate my hot water recirculation system while there’s activity in the home (it cycles only on motion for 2 minutes at a time) I’m all for the simplicity.
Out of the box, I want to be able to use a device without having to
This complexity of using a simple device has been the biggest shortcoming of HE. And, it’s finally setup so, the steps to use a device are
I’ve been abandoning my dashboards in favor the the Zen32 recently, as they are easier to get the family to use. I have 2 Amazon fire HD 10” with custom dashboards for each floor of the house.
No one uses the wall mounted tablets EVER. Not even me. They basically serve as photo frames (I use dakboard for the screensaver via fully kiosk).
This is usually the fault of crappy sensors and not tuning your reset times to match your motion rules. I use Aeotec tri-sensors and they are sensitive enough that they don't turn off the lights when you are in the room and say sitting fairly still at the dining room table.
I get this vision in my mind of the supermarket's frozen food aisle and how the lights in each case turn on when I walk down the aisle.
I guess it depends to some degree on your home's layout and your personal movement habits, but I can't see that working very well for us.
To each his own I suppose, but I think I'd have a real hard time coming up with rules that would make such a setup work without being annoying. Motion doesn't necessarily imply the need for light, or vice versa.
I use a camera in my Living Room with local AI object detection (detects person and face) to keep lights on with no motion). It works very well. I've posted about it elsewhere on this forum in case you want to learn how to do it.
The benefit of this approach is you don't have to extend your motion timeout timer which would otherwise be necessary. I hate leaving a room and knowing the lights will stay on for several minutes due to the buffer time added to the rule because of the inadequacies of my motion detectors 
During the morning, day, and evening times I have my lights stay on for longer increments with motion. If motion gets detected and the light is already on, have the timer reset. The only time my lights go off while I'm in a room is after midnight when I purposely lower the timer to 2 minutes. I have a button controller (pico) that disables the timer if I like as well as a rule monitoring if the TV is on in some rooms to do the same. You can build, stack, combine rules to make just about any behavior you want. Even freezer aisle style if that's your thing.
Thanks, as simple as that. Apps are really important in Home automation. Go tell Creston, Savant, Control4, Home Assistant, Fibaro, Smartthings, HomeSeer, Vera... That app is not that important.
At night I can easily check all my sensors, lights, fans and plugs; I can my HSM from my bed if I forgot to arm it though the keypad. I can control ligths when my wife is sleeping without making any noise
Don't get me wrong, Im crazy in love with Hubitat, but not the app, I use HomeHabit app as my main Hubitat App.
Where do you find this?
So, you are raising a stink over recreating one rule?? Several people have said if your rules work, why change? I can see your point that you may have A (or SOME) rules that you may want to take advantage of the new functionality, but it hardly necessitates redoing all of your rules, just to have the functionality available at a later date should you then decide to use it. . Further, I believe when you open your rules in Rule machine, the new functionality will be there to be used, once you change and save the rule, it is then updated to the new rule machine version. This is how it has typically been in the past.
It's at the playstore for Android, I think is not available yet for iPhone.
Without defending JM, It's definitely not like this in RM 4.0/4.1.
3/4 of the house is automated. The one exception is our bedroom. Between my wonky work schedules and her liking to retreat to her cave, its just a room where full automation doesn't work. That being said my wife knows there is an app on her phone, she knows there's a very limited dashboard just for her. But she has no clue how to access it. As long as she has Alexa to control it she is happy.
Thank You.
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