IKEA Trådfri Outlet

I believe those four are connected to your hub(coordinator). The Xbee will be a repeater on your map.

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Ah, right you are! Rookie mistake :wink:

Well, that also makes sense because the hub isn't far from any of those devices. Previous post has been corrected.

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Great confirmation on the outlets! A lower cost, compatible option with less lead time :grinning:is always appreciated! Thank you.

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So, I've got my Trådfri outlet all set up, but I can't get any of my Xiaomi devices to actually route through them. I even tried putting the hub in pairing mode, putting them near the outlet and far from the hub, and pressing the "pair" button on the side of the Xiaomi device. No luck--still on the hub I paired them through. I've always thought these things were reluctant to change routes, but I think that's worked for me before when they've "fallen off" and got added through a nearby repeater. I may try completely resetting it and pairing it near the outlet if the routes for either of the devices I have near it doesn't change in the next day or so.

Yes. It seems you need to reset them and re-pair to the repeater. A few of mine did change routes without my doing anything, but others didn't and are still connected directly to the hub. They're stubborn little guys. But I love them :confused:

Sorry that it took a while, but I can also confirm success with Xiaomi/Aqara devices staying connected via the Trådfri outlet.

While a couple of my Sengled Element Classic bulbs switched over on their own, in the past two weeksI did not once see any of my Xiaomi/Aqara devices move their connection over to the Trådfri outlet on their own accord.

So, I had to do the same as @SmartHomePrimer to "force" my Xiaomi/Aqara devices to use the Trådfri outlet as a repeater: reset and manual re-join (i.e., don't delete the device from the Hubitat's device list; just start "discover Zigbee & Z-Wave devices" mode, and go through the Xiaomi/Aqara device's pairing steps.)

Rated at 1800W/15A max output according to the manual, these are a total no-brainer at $10 (assuming you don't mind the size/design and the audible toggle breaker 'click' sound)!

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Thanks for confirming Keith. I'm happy these are working so well and re-assured by your experienced assessment.

Does that include the long/"reset" press before the short/"pair" presses? If so, doesn't that create an entirely new device in Hubitat? (I know ZigBee normally doesn't do that, but I swear I've had Xiaomi devices do it if reset, at least on another platform. I'll be less scared to try this if it doesn't. I only tried the short presses in pairing mode to see if maybe I could make it re-evaluate.)

Besides their slightly large size (mostly long and not too tall but not quite short enough to fit two on a standard US duplex outlet), the only other disadvantage I see is that they don't contain a physical on/off button. On the Trådfri platform, you can pair their external on/off button to the device, but I'm not sure you can do that if it's paired to Hubitat. (But of course, you can use any button device or automation of your choice in Hubitat to achieve the same--you're just out of luck if the hub is off/rebooting/etc.)

EDIT: But yes, I should say, these are dirt cheap for repeaters, especially if they work with Xiaomi devices. No physical button isn't a problem if you only use them to repeat, of course. They may replace an Xbee as my go-to recommendation if they continue to work this way (though the Xbee retains the advantage of being able to be powered over USB, being slightly smaller, and I suspect having a better range and being able to handle more child devices, though I don't know that for sure).

I actually could not get this to work with any but one of my devices. I had to remove my devices from Hubitat and re-pair. I couldn't get them to respond otherwise. Maybe I didn't do it right, or don't know the correct technique.

The lack of a physical switch is a minor inconvenience, but since I run Homebridge, it's available on my phone if I ever do actually want to use these as switches. They're just repeaters to me. The devices I have plugged into them are only that way because as you observed, in IKEA style, they didn't modify the shape for the US, just the prongs, voltage and UL/CSA requirements. So I can't get a power adapter and one of these in a duplex socket at the same time, other than plugging the power adapter into the Trådfri outlet. But a good point about them being uncontrollable when the hub is off or rebooting. Pulling them is the only option without a remote. They might be able to use any IKEA remote, but they won't use any just Zigbee remote. I tried with a Lutron Connected Bulb Remote and it wouldn't do it. Has to be one recognized by the Trådfri gateway (which I picked up just to play with). I have a feeling that we'll be able to pair their remote as Device and then also pair it with the outlet. Just have to do it in the right order. I plan to pick up one with a remote next time I'm at IKEA.

Pairing update: I tried leaving my "old" Xiaomi device on Hubitat, then re-setting and re-pairing it. The "old" device was replaced the the "new" device, and it's network ID changed, but it did not create a new device--it apparently just updated the "old" one to match the device I had reset. (I'm pretty sure on ST this just created a new device. Possibly older versions of Hubitat did the same. I don't remember.)

Unfortunately, even when pairing just a couple feet away from the Ikea Outlet and a whole floor plus a couple rooms away from the hub, it still tries to pair through anything other than the Ikea outlet (now the hub, before a stronger repeater I turned off before my second attempt). I may try with some other spare Xiaomi devices and moving the Ikea outlet to a more isolated space, but these things are tricky. :slight_smile:

I wonder if channel plays a role with IKEA devices? I'm on channel 13 and the devices seem to have no problem joining through the outlet. All my Xiaomi devices are new version Aqara.

Ok, time to head home and see if the Outlet with the included button can be used.

[Cleared my plate] :wink:

That's a late Thanksgiving.
Swedish-Giving keeping with the spirit? :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

I don’t think I’ve ever left that place without a plate of meatballs. :wink:

When I picked my switches up we were with the kids and missed the restaurant, which was my wife's intention. I had some choice words for her that I kept to myself. Miss those frozen meatballs. I did get lingonberry drank though.

Looks like the remote that comes with the outlet is a no-go. It pairs, but cannot get any response from it using any driver I've found. Battery voltage only. I think this was similar to what @mike.maxwell found with the IKEA remotes.

Can't use the trick that worked with the Trådfri bulbs. The outlet won't pair to multiple devices at once like the bulbs can. So my recommendation at this time is don't bother. Stick with the outlet only. Xiaomi buttons are about the same price and offer so much more. And the outlet can repeat them too! :smiley:

Maybe if someone writes a CoAP client for the Trådfri Gateway we could use them, but probably not worth the effort.

Since I need to move some of my Xiaomi devices back and forth between my SmartThings and Hubitat hubs to work on device handler / device driver code updates, I can confirm it's possible to manually rejoin Xiaomi Zigbee devices on both platforms without having to first remove them from the hub's device list (and thus keeping any automations, etc. using those devices completely intact).

I think the key thing for this to work is that that the hub needs to "know" the device's Zigbee ID. As long as that was established when the device was originally paired the first time, then a rejoin simply results in assigning a new DNI (device network ID).

The steps I take to accomplish this are:

  1. (Optionally) Pull out the device's battery for 30 seconds, and then re-install it.
  2. Open up the hub's logging window (or preferably the Hubitat's Zigbee events log window) to watch for messages from the device
  3. Put the hub into discovery / add a device mode
  4. Follow the device's pairing process steps (long-press of reset button, watch for short flashes of LED, etc.)
  5. The device has rejoined when you see log messages for it. There will not be any indications at all in the hub's discovery / add a device window.

This has worked for me every single time on both hubs.

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Hmm, good to know! Does it make a difference if you pair them "normally" (automatically discovered) with ST vs. using the "catchall" method? If so, I normally used the "catchall" method on ST (but automatic on Hubitat), so maybe that explains why I seem to remember a reset of Xiaomi devices creating a "new" on on ST. But it could also just be bad memory on my part. :slight_smile: It was rare that I had to do a full reset.

Thanks for the information!

Yes it does. On a SmartThings hub, using the catchall method results in an unknown Zigbee ID, so it would be blank when you look at the device list or device's details page. In general, without the Zigbee ID, the hub can't reassign a new DNI (device network ID), and that's why it would appear as a new and different device if a re-join is attempted.

Note that I say "in general" because despite the lack of a Zigbee ID when using the catchall method to pair a Xiaomi device, in my experience, I have seen a few instances my ST hub populate the Zigbee ID after pairing a device using the catchall method. Also, I have sometimes seen the Zigbee ID listed in ST's hub events page for devices that I've paired using the catchall method, and if I copied that string and then added it to my ST hub's information for the device, it made it possible to later re-join it to the already existing device in my hub's list.

I think the fact that catchall method makes it generally impossible to re-join Xiaomi devices is a major factor in a lot of SmartThings users' frustration with them. If a little extra patience is exercised so that they can get paired the "normal" way, it helps immensely.

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Did anyone have trouble getting the outlet to connect? Finally got one to help w/ the Aqara sensors, but it's stuck initializing.

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