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I am on to my 4th Hubitat installation and I have noticed that one of my installations is running slow or at times. Its mostly Lutron Caseta (70 devices), some Z-wave (14 devices), Zigbee (4 devices) and an ELK M1 panel(30 devices).

I already have it rebooting nightly and it does work most of the time. I do notice that on some occasions that some things become unresponsive. It usually comes back on its own but a quick reboot always solves the problem.

I believe I am overloading the hub so I see that there is a Hub Mesh capability. Should I do this and if so what should I/can I separate?

How anyone had good experience with the Hub Mesh?

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That device load doesn't seem like it should be bogging down the hub. Since the Lutron, Zigbee, and Z-Wave devices are all probably using built-in drivers, I am curious about the ELK M1 panel's 30 devices. What integration are you using for these? :thinking:

When you look at the Logs tab, and then the "Device Stats" and "App Stats", what are you seeing in terms of usage?

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I can not seem to find usage stats. I am still new to the hub.

I am using the ELK M1 integration (third party).

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I will try to catch that when it is lagging.

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You don't need to. Both of those stats (device & app) are cumulative and not momentary.

I want to add - identifying troublesome apps and drivers, and either fixing or eliminating them, also removed the need for my hubs to be periodically rebooted. For the last 15-18 months, I've rebooted them only for platform updates or power outages.

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Local apps:

Name Time, ms
Hubitat® Dashboard 31,771
Rachio Integration 25,509
Amazon Echo Skill 2,922
Blinds (Not Set) 2,654
Backyard Fan Off 2,598
Dashboard 2,280
Elk M1 Application 1,798
Backyard Lights 1,278
Blinds Down for Armed Away 893
All Lights when Armed Away 663
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Devices:

Name Total, ms
Elk M1 17,407
Lutron Telnet 11,471
Rachio - Rachio-C67435 4,828
Rachio - Zone 2 - backyard 4,790
Office Motion 2,448
Rachio - zone 1 - front south 1,964
Rachio - Zone 3- front north 1,881
Rachio - Zone 4 - south side 1,810
Backyard Motion 1,589
Plug Socket Zigbee 880
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the % of total is a great help.

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You can see in my example, despite an App being #1, it's using less than 2/10ths of the resource total.

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I turn on ALL the stats, see screenshot below. But the percentage of total is one of the more helpful stats.

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Devices: 1m 26s busy / 15h 8m 48s total (0.2%)

Name Count Avg, ms % of busy % of total State size Events States
Elk M1 2,496 11 31.4 0.050 4,942 751 231
Lutron Telnet 2,066 8 20.1 0.032 1,357 3 1
Rachio - Rachio-C67435 60 133 9.3 0.015 3,815 712 86
Rachio - Zone 2 - backyard 60 132 9.1 0.014 5,120 718 60
Office Motion 120 40 5.5 0.009 1,557 514 152
Rachio - zone 1 - front south 60 53 3.7 0.006 5,126 728 60
Rachio - Zone 3- front north 60 52 3.6 0.006 5,124 708 60
Rachio - Zone 4 - south side 60 52 3.6 0.006 5,124 838 60
Backyard Motion 170 15 2.9 0.005 1,522 482 141
Plug Socket Zigbee 183 7 1.5 0.002 386 13 2

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Right now all my Z-wave devices are not working.

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I think something is locking up my Z-wave and that I think is causing my issues. If I had two hubs I could put the Z-wave on one?

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Z-Wave Repair

Stage: Idle
Finished Z-Wave Network Repair
Failed Nodes: 21 2A 0B 0C 0D 0E 0F 10 11 12
13 1A 1B 25 1E

All my nodes have failed.

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So my hub might have some kind of a Z-wave issue.

Z-Wave Radio Devices

Node Stats Status Device Class Device Security Route
0x06 (006) PER: 0, RTT Avg: ms, LWR RSSI:
Neighbors: 12, Route Changes: 0 OK SPECIFIC_TYPE_BASIC_WALL_CONTROLLER
Nortek Security & Control LLC GoControl Switch None 01 -> 06 100kbps
0x0A (010) PER: 0, RTT Avg: 11ms, LWR RSSI: -12dB
Neighbors: 10, Route Changes: 2 OK SPECIFIC_TYPE_NOTIFICATION_SENSOR
Zooz Office Motion S0 01 -> 2A -> 0A 9.6kbps
0x0B (011) PER: 0, RTT Avg: ms, LWR RSSI:
Neighbors: 13, Route Changes: 0 OKRepair GENERIC_TYPE_STATIC_CONTROLLER
Somfy Somfy Bridge None 01 -> 0B 40kbps
0x0C (012) PER: 0, RTT Avg: 0ms, LWR RSSI: 16dB
Neighbors: 13, Route Changes: 2 OKRepair SPECIFIC_TYPE_CLASS_A_MOTOR_CONTROL
Somfy Blinds Living Room None 01 -> 0C 40kbps
0x0D (013) PER: 0, RTT Avg: 0ms, LWR RSSI: 15dB
Neighbors: 13, Route Changes: 2 OKRepair SPECIFIC_TYPE_CLASS_A_MOTOR_CONTROL
Somfy Blind Dining Room None 01 -> 0D 40kbps
0x0E (014) PER: 0, RTT Avg: 1ms, LWR RSSI: 15dB
Neighbors: 13, Route Changes: 1 OKRepair SPECIFIC_TYPE_CLASS_A_MOTOR_CONTROL
Somfy Blind Kitchen None 01 -> 0E 40kbps
0x0F (015) PER: 0, RTT Avg: 1ms, LWR RSSI: 16dB
Neighbors: 13, Route Changes: 1 OKRepair SPECIFIC_TYPE_CLASS_A_MOTOR_CONTROL
Somfy Blinds Master Bedroom None 01 -> 0F 40kbps
0x10 (016) PER: 0, RTT Avg: 1ms, LWR RSSI: 16dB
Neighbors: 13, Route Changes: 2 OKRepair SPECIFIC_TYPE_CLASS_A_MOTOR_CONTROL
Somfy Blinds North Bedroom None 01 -> 10 40kbps
0x11 (017) PER: 0, RTT Avg: 1ms, LWR RSSI: 15dB
Neighbors: 12, Route Changes: 2 OKRepair SPECIFIC_TYPE_CLASS_A_MOTOR_CONTROL
Somfy Blind South Bedroom None 01 -> 11 40kbps
0x12 (018) PER: 0, RTT Avg: 1ms, LWR RSSI: 15dB
Neighbors: 12, Route Changes: 2 OKRepair SPECIFIC_TYPE_CLASS_A_MOTOR_CONTROL
Somfy Blinds Office None 01 -> 12 40kbps
0x13 (019) PER: 0, RTT Avg: ms, LWR RSSI:
Neighbors: 13, Route Changes: 0 OKRepair SPECIFIC_TYPE_SECURE_KEYPAD_DOOR_LOCK
Spectrum Brands Front Door Lock S0 01 -> 13 40kbps
0x18 (024) PER: 0, RTT Avg: 1ms, LWR RSSI: 3dB
Neighbors: 11, Route Changes: 1 OK SPECIFIC_TYPE_ROUTING_SENSOR_BINARY
HomeSeer Technologies Washroom Leak Sensor S2 Unauthenticated 01 -> 18 100kbps
0x19 (025) PER: 0, RTT Avg: 1ms, LWR RSSI: -6dB
Neighbors: 11, Route Changes: 1 OK SPECIFIC_TYPE_ROUTING_SENSOR_BINARY
HomeSeer Technologies Master Leak Sensor S2 Unauthenticated 01 -> 19 100kbps
0x1A (026) PER: 0, RTT Avg: ms, LWR RSSI:
Neighbors: 14, Route Changes: 0 OKRepair SPECIFIC_TYPE_VALVE_OPEN_CLOSE
HomeSeer Technologies Outside Water Valve None 01 -> 1A 100kbps
0x1B (027) PER: 0, RTT Avg: 1ms, LWR RSSI: 3dB
Neighbors: 13, Route Changes: 2 OKRepair SPECIFIC_TYPE_VALVE_OPEN_CLOSE
HomeSeer Technologies Inside Water Valve None 01 -> 1B 100kbps
0x1C (028) PER: 0, RTT Avg: ms, LWR RSSI:
Neighbors: 6, Route Changes: 0 OK SPECIFIC_TYPE_BASIC_WALL_CONTROLLER
HANK Electronics Ltd Big White button None
0x1E (030) PER: 0, RTT Avg: ms, LWR RSSI:
Neighbors: 2, Route Changes: 0 OKRepair SPECIFIC_TYPE_POWER_SWITCH_BINARY
NIE Technology Co., Ltd Router Plug Socket S2 Unauthenticated 01 -> 1E 100kbps
0x21 (033) PER: 0, RTT Avg: ms, LWR RSSI:
Neighbors: 15, Route Changes: 0 OKRepair SPECIFIC_TYPE_POWER_SWITCH_BINARY
Inovelli Pool Light S2 Authenticated 01 -> 21 100kbps
0x24 (036) PER: 0, RTT Avg: ms, LWR RSSI:
Neighbors: 9, Route Changes: 0 OK SPECIFIC_TYPE_NOTIFICATION_SENSOR
Zooz Backyard Motion None 01 -> 1A -> 24 9.6kbps
0x25 (037) PER: 0, RTT Avg: 5ms, LWR RSSI: 95dB
Neighbors: 6, Route Changes: 2 OKRepair SPECIFIC_TYPE_POWER_SWITCH_MULTILEVEL
Inovelli Backyard Light S2 Authenticated 01 -> 21 -> 25 100kbps
0x2A (042) PER: 0, RTT Avg: ms, LWR RSSI:
Neighbors: 14, Route Changes: 0 OKRepair SPECIFIC_TYPE_REPEATER_SLAVE
Ring Z-wave Range Extenter None 01 -> 2A 100kbps
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@silverton38 Looks like you have several ghosts, those need to be removed... That's probably what's killing your mesh...

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There are and were no ghosts, all the switches are real. I have been removing most of the Z-wave devices to the delight of the hub. My problems have gone away since I removed ALL 700 devices from my network. I removed the 2 Zooz 4 in 1 (replaced them with basic Zigbee motions), an Inovelli dimmer (replaced with a Lutron Caseta dimmer), an Inovelli switch (replaced with a Lutron Caseta Switch) and finally I removed a Z-wave Plug Socket (replaced with a zigbee Plug socket).

I have read in other places that some 700 series devices put a high load on the network. Anyway I will avoid all Z-wave that I can in the future. Zigbee just works; which is what I need.

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Amen.

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I said that because big white button looked to have no route

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the big white button is a battery device. It only shows up when used.

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