You're part of a thread where they did just that:
Will it run local to the hub? I thought the plan was I'd need somewhere (pc, rpi) to run the docker image?
I know there was talk about running it in on the hub. Now that I think of it, it may have been too large (espeacially as we add icon fonts), so you may be right.
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Really i think the HE guys need to address this. There is just took much time dedicated to this topic. Do I worry about it - no. Do I read through these threads - yes. So I guess my first statement is a lie, but I don’t dwell on it.
I know HE is a private company and I don’t expect them to lay out their business plan, but they could definitely make a couple statements that would settle this down a little bit.
They have a new CEO that isn’t free. They are planning something. The biggest upset would be if they were shopping themselves around to be acquired.
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I might be considered an antagonist here, but you can't "know" anything about the future state of HE. The owners certainly can't. They are making plans, but those plans can be thwarted at any time.
When you buy a product, it's for it's current state only (unless specifically stated otherwise). While the owners may be obliged to repair any perceived defects, there aren't obliged to 1) disclose business models, 2) future plans or 3) modify and/or update their product.
I don't see much of a difference between HE and the local donut shop (I finally broke down and bought a few donuts after months of being good 
No proprietor can "know" what the future brings. I don't think the owners of the donut shop considered how close to shutting down they were till this unpredictable "pandemic" occurred. They do their best and we spend our money on the fruits of their labors. When that ends, we spend our money on the next proprietor's fruits. We both enjoyed Wink until it wasn't a good idea.
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Thanks for the trip down memory lane.
I'll re-post what I wrote two years ago, because we're still having essentially the same conversation in this thread and several others since Wink announced they were moving to subscription-only.
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I haven't registered because I don't see what that provides that I would want. Why would I register it? There's a good chance I'm going to isolate it from the WAN completely. For now it's nice to be able to import user apps and drivers directly, but copy and paste is not too terrible. If the apps I've gotten from the great developers here settle out and don't need updating, I'll probably isolate it.
I'm on firmware v2.2.0.128. That is the latest update available, I think. For now, updates can happen directly because I haven't cut its connection.
Doesn't it need to be registered to get the update? That's what I was getting at.
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The only part of their business plan that has been mentioned (I think by @bravenel) was that they're not shopping themselves around to be acquired.
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Nope! It really dose not need to be registered. It can work completely isolated from the internet, which I will do, eventually. It gets NTP from my LAN, just like my IP camera system. I've already isolated those things. They are really untrustworthy.
@mitchswpt: This is one of those "have you stopped beating your wife?" questions. There is no answer. On the one hand @homeauto2112 is correct that no one can foretell what the future will bring. On the other hand, we can give assurances about a few things:
- It would not be a practical thing for us to even contemplate following Wink by imposing a subscription fee for you to continue to use your hub, since it doesn't even need to be connected to the internet to continue to function. So that's just not in the cards, nor is it something we would do. We may very well offer value-added services that entail subscription fees, but those would be optional and have a clear value to users.
- Our cloud costs are pretty low, so keeping those aspects of the Hubitat Elevation functionality running is not a burden, unlike the cloud costs for a cloud based HA system.
- Our overall cost structure is very low as compared to Wink's or ST's.
Our business, like many, is having to roll with the punches dished out by coronavirus, the economy, disruptions to supply chains, etc. In many ways every start up company has to roll with the punches imposed by the real world of being in business. We are not going away in the foreseeable future.
@BrianP The reason to register is to be able to use our mobile app, and/or cloud endpoints in Maker API or other apps, including your own. As a business matter, we don't really care if you register or not, that's entirely up to you.
No. But it does need to connect to the internet.
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Yep, and I specifically came to Hubitat so that I would have zero cloud dependence, and I don't use the app, only local dashboards via VPN. It would be fine for me to register, but I'm not doing it out of pride. I'm really happy that I got this fully local solution. Told my father about it--he would like Hubitat's local processing too.
I kinda wish I could connect to the command line, but I know that's a support nightmare for Hubitat, and I wanted a real product like this instead of building something on a RPi.
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Ha! There is no command line to connect to, at least not one that has anything to do with the hub platform.
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Oh I know there's a Linux system under there somewhere, that can probably run curl or wget.
I just don't know the Groovy interface well enough to do everything I want, yet, but I could do lots from Linux commands.
Does life 360 use HE servers?
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Curl just calls URLs... what would that serve to accomplish? Whatever URLs HE does have (like MakerAPI endpoints) you can certainly call via curl running on any PC
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There isn't really anything you could do from Linux. Hmm, stop the platform, reboot...
Everything doable can be done through the web ui.
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I use curl to send email through my SMTP server over SSL. Right now it goes through a telnet connection to my NAS, and my NAS performs the curl command.
So you're saying you want HE to execute a curl command to something on the outside? I know you said you haven't played with groovy yet, but that'll be like 4 lines of code. Setup a schedule() - basically a cron, and call httpGet or httpPost or whatever method you need. And if you don't want to do code, RM can be used to create a rule to call an http endpoint.
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