In ST, I have a few things set up in Smart Lighting and webCore that I want to do in Rule Machine. I cannot figure them out (probably being dense). In ST, I have an automation that turns off all lights if everyone leaves. I was trying to use a trigger in RM, but I only can do "or" - so it reads…

Triggers are Events inside RM and yet Triggers are also the word we use to describe "making the automation go" Since a Trigger is just one style of three to build a Rule: [21%20PM] ...it's so easy to confuse me. :slight_smile: All Rules, no matter which style are Event Driven. An event is, to n…

[image] MichaelO: This one is a little more complicated: a. If wife presence sensor arrives, AND Living Room motion detector becomes active, Speaker says "Welcome home wife". b. If my presence sensor arrives, AND Living Room motion detector becomes active. Speaker says "Welcome home Michael". …

[image] MichaelO: trying to use a trigger you mean event? Or a Triggered Rule? I would build that from a Rule rule (not a trigger or a triggered rule) by adding the Presence conditions and then setting up the Rule section to use the AND. The answer's the same for #2

[image] csteele: you mean event? Or a Triggered Rule? I was using a triggered rule... I'll play around with a rule to try to use and. Thanks!!

In rule machine, create a rule, then pick capability presence and select all your presence sensors. Then toggle the "all" switch below that. Then the condition will be "all of your sensors not present". Then you can select the actions for "true" when that happens. You don't have to do it with a …

To follow up on your more complex scenario, the false path could trigger more actions which enable rules to speak your welcome message.

But that would not trigger if one person was home and the other came home. If you want an action to happen based on an individual event, I would recommend a Trigger instead of the rule. This way, you know exactly what you are getting.

Thanks for all the help! I'm getting the hang of it. I was having trouble with terminology, but I think I'm catching on!

@bravenel Is this even possible in RM? I've had a look but can't work it out. It works out if a speaker is on when we leave and if it is, it stores that in a variable and pauses the speaker. Then if we return within the day time it will press play on that speaker. There is also a bootlean in there…

I don't believe that the Bolean variable is needed for a rule in Rule machine. If anyone of them are present the rule would be true. Until they all leave again, the rule will continue to be true which is the equivalent of setting the variable to true.

So basically: WebCoRE executes the rule when any event from any trigger occurs, which will re-run the actions even if nothing has actually changed. RM evaluates the rule when any trigger occurs, but only executes the actions on truth change. Is that right?

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BorrisTheCat November 23, 2018, 7:04pm 2

I do this with Rooms manager