So I have given up on Hubitat and my 'smart' lights for over a year. I am giving them one last chance before I give up and throw them all out. I have 22 Juno wf6c recessed lights and 3 of the Juno wf4c light with a HE 7. I have only been able to get all lights to pair once and it lasted 1 day. I had them hard wired with no switch to test them before I spent money on switches and scene controllers. One room has 6 of the 6 inch, another has 4 of the 6 inch and the 3rd room has 12 6 inch along with 3 of the 4 inch lights.
I purchased 6 repeaters to make sure I had a strong mesh. These rooms are all connected so not a long distance between them. I have tried doing repeaters first and then lights, lights first then repeaters, just lights to the HE with no repeaters, etc., but I have had no luck.
Since this time, I have installed regular switches in the rooms just so I can use the lights as standard lights and be able to turn them off. The one plus to that is I can toggle the switch 5 times to make them discoverable. Let me use the 6 light room as an example of my problems. I toggle the power to get discoverable, then HE app only finds say 4 of the lights. I set those 4 lights up. Then I search for devices again and it may find 1 more light, but rarely will it find all 6. If I get all 6, it is almost always the case that HE didn't connect to one well enough to actually control it....time to start over. Even if I get all 6 working, one generally drops within a day and I can't control it so it is stuck on or off. Since these are hard wired, there is no way to discover again without cycling power. The safe way is to toggle the power to the circuit and start over....the unsafe way is to pull the can out of the ceiling, remove the wire from the wire nut and cycle the individual light to make discoverable again.
...imagine how well this goes on the room with 15 lights. Any ideas on why HE can never find more than 5 or 6 lights at a time? Ironically, I am able to find 5-6 lights, cycle the whole circuit to make all 15 discoverable again, it will find the 5-6 lights and maybe 1-2 more. Do this a couple times and sometimes I get to 9-10 lights. Next time I cycle, HE can't find most of them and it starts again.
Is HE 7 too slow to find the lights? I am at my wits end. No reason to buy switches if I can't ever get all the lights to connect at the same time. There is no rhyme or reason to which lights connect either. After going through this process a couple of times, I will have had all the lights connected at one time or another.
Welcome back, hope you will resolve your problem, First of all, it is best practice to place a single light in pairing mode, discover it and make sure it works with the correct driver (don't know nothing about these wafers). Then put the next light in pairing mode, discover it on the hub, configure and so on until all lights have been paired. Having multiple lights like you are trying to do will always mess things up, once you paired 2-3 lights and start the pairing mode again, all lights that were already paired will go back in pairing mode and this will cause a bunch of problems.
Maybe I didn't state it clearly. I have done them 1 by 1 by continually adding 1 hard wired light at a time and only putting the new light in pairing mode. This is how I was successful the 1 time. Even when I did that, the lights were all popcorn and often did not all come on or off, change color, etc. If I cycled the scene a few times, sometimes it would make all lights change eventually, but often not. The room with 4 lights had a lot better chance than the one with 15, but all rooms eventually fail.
This can't be the way the lights have to be added. It is completely unsafe to add a light to a hot circuit in order to pair one at a time. These don't plug into receptacles.
It is unfortunate the manufacturer chose to make the reset/pairing that way instead of adding a small button to the top side of the light. Most zigbee devices will have a reset/pairing button except for bulbs where that does not work very well due to limited space in the housing.
I think a few people have tried those Juno wafers and also had some intermittent issues with them. It may help if you could add some Zigbee repeaters somewhere to make sure they get a strong signal. Maybe even adding one of those Sonoff USB repeaters above the ceiling somewhere would help?
ALSO, to control a large group you will want to set them up in a way that uses Zigbee group messaging. That will send a broadcast message out instead of a separate command for each light. You can use the Groups app or Room Lighting to setup a zigbee group. Room Lighting is the most current and recommended app.
Also, I have several of the USB repeaters. Can too many be an issue? Or could there be an incompatibility issue? Says they are zigbee 3.0. Not sure what the lights are. They don't say.
Another test I just performed. I tried to get the room with 15 lights to reset. I was able to find 10 of them. I tested temperature and brightness change and it worked. I turned them off with the app above. Turned them back on and only 5 turn on. 5 of them have dropped again already.
I downloaded new version. I was able to create a group and a scene. It took care of popcorn effect! Thank you! One issue down......now if I can just get all the lights to connect....
I would check out this app so you can see how everything is routing on the Zigbee mesh: [RELEASE] Zigbee Map app
So you used the old groups and scenes app and that worked better? I think that uses Zigbee groups by default, in Room Lighting you have to enable a setting possibly to have it use the Zigbee groups.
Don't know if you have the same model lights but based on what I've been reading over in the Inovelli forums for the last year or two, I wouldn't touch Juno with a 10-foot pole.
Wow. That is quite the thread. I haven't made it all the way through, but it sounds like there is a bluetooth firmware upgrade via smart things as of late July. I am going to keep reading before I take a stab at it to see how it has gone for folks after the upgrade. Otherwise, I guess they will stay dumb lights.
Not only in HE forums, but also other forums, Juno is garbage unfortunately. I had one and it was nothing but problems, even on Smartthings. Also look at the Amazon reviews.
Sorry you got scammed. Maybe since you have so much invested you can see if Juno has their own hub?
PS-I spent hours on the phone with ST support and they gave up on Juno as well
That's not new, that is an old depreciated app which was replaced by room lighting. They kept it around by popular demand but is getting no further development. It does still work well for simple groups of lights/bulbs as you have found. Room Lighting is more advanced.
Interesting. I used the room lighting app first and could not eliminate popcorn effect. Since group and scene is old, do you no longer make groups at all? In room lighting, I added all the lights in a room, but I did not see any setting to make them work as a single command for the group. Am I missing something?
Agreed with @dcaton1220. I do only use Room Lighting now myself, but I do see the benefit of keeping the old apps around since they are so simple to understand.
You can do pretty much everything in RL that the old G&S app does, but it might be a little more complicated, like having to find the option to enable the zigbee groups for example.
