GE switch issue - timer off

I recently migrated from SmartThings to a Hubitat C-8 Pro on platform 2.4.0.151. Haven't regretted the switch, but there's one issue I'm having that I cant work out. I have an old ~2018 GE Enbrighten Zwave switch (with a second Add-On switch) which I’ve added to Hubitat and can control on and off via the app. However, I cannot figure out how to make a rule that turns it off after 10 minutes (it’s a driveway light switch and I want to spare my neighbors the light pollution). I’ve tried Rule Machine, simple rules and even installed the Hubitat Package Manager and installed the Simple Switch Off Timers app. I can create the rules and it identifies my GE switch as a light switch in the rule, but none of them work to turn off the light after 10 minutes.

I noticed that when I’m on the home page of the Hubitat app it doesn’t include this switch as a “Light” in the top left corner that lists the number of light that are on. I also read somewhere that the driver for these switches wasn’t good but those posts were a few years old.

In any event, I’d be grateful if anyone could point me in the right direction of how I can get a switch-off timer working with my GE light switch please.

Cheers,
Simon

Could you post a screenshot of the rule that doesn't work?

Are you turning in this light physically at the switch or Aux? If yes does Hubitat reflect the on state correctly? I ask because if HE doesn’t know that it is on then the rules to turn it off won’t fire.

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Here’s one of the rules, although I suspect it’s not an issue with the rule but rather an issue with the driver/switch itself.

Look at the events tab on the switch and see if an event is being recorded when the switch is turned on.

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So do I.

When you turn the switch on physically, does the device page show that the switch is turned on?

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Ah, it correctly changes it’s status when I switch it on and off using HE, but it doesn’t change the status when I switch it on and off manually at the wall.

Also, the rule works to switch it off automatically when I turn it on using HE from my phone, so the rule is working, so I guess something is wrong with the driver not reporting the status correctly HE when I physically switch it on and off?

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Can you remove the wall plate and report the date code on the switch? Will be a white sticker with 4 numbers. You might have an older switch that was caught up in the Lutron patent that doesn’t accurately report its state.

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What driver is this switch using?

Is it the white label, 1535?

When I manually turn the switch on or off, it doesn’t record an event in the event log

I’m not sure how I find what Driver it’s using, but here is the device

From the in-clusters I can see that it isn’t a zwave+ switch. So it will not report its status to the hub without being polled.

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Thanks, so does that mean I can’t make it turn off automatically after a set time? It worked fine with SmartThings, but will HE only work with the newer Zwave Plus switches?

Or you need to setup the zwave poller app.

So I installed this Zwave poller app Z-Wave Poller | Hubitat Documentation and it found my driveway light switch and I started the polling, but HE still doesn’t recognize the state of the switch when you turn it on and off manually at the wall. Is there another step I need to do to make it work properly?

So I ended up getting it working. I restarted the Hubitat App on my phone and then the switch started to poll properly, and now the auto off app works. Thank you to all who helped me with this!

Cheers
Simon

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FWIW that switch was manufactured in week 35 of 2015. In late August it will be 10 years old. As @aaiyar mentions this switch is not Zwave Plus so it was indeed caught up in the Lutron patent back then where it couldn’t provide state updates.

SmartThings was polling switches behind the scenes which is why you never noticed this issue there. Polling does can impact the Zwave mesh. I’d consider replacing that switch at some point given its age. If you have a newer switch somewhere in your home where it’s state isn’t as important you could always swap them too to buy some time.

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I would replace it too. I won't let a non-plus Zwave devices anywhere near my mesh.

  • High failure rates on the old GE/Jasco switches (amazing this one made 10 years)
  • No auto status reporting / requires mesh impactive polling
  • Slows down any other Zwave plus devices/messages that route through it by 2.5x to 40kb
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If you decide to upgrade, zooz products work well with Hubitat, and are reasonably-priced. For example:

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