Exterior lights, best automation?

I have an exterior light automation that is sunset + 180 minutes to turn off which is good in winter but too late in summer. Is there a better automation?

If you're using the sunset as the timer, it should change for summer and winter, and you shouldn't even have to do anything.

Depending on how you have your automation set up, you could add a second trigger to it for the latest time you'd want to turn off the lights.

Just one of the reasons that I like Daylight Savings Time.

You could create a RM rule that has two conditional actions in it. For the first, add a condition for the Fall and Winter months, and for the second conditional action, add a condition for the Spring and Summer months.

You can have both conditional actions in one rule, with just a single trigger which would still be Sunset with no offset. Sunset + offset would be one of the two conditions for each of your conditional actions. Just make sure each conditional action in the rule has the following structure:

IF (conditions)
Then (actions)
End-IF

I use sunset with daylight savings settings to turn my porch lights on, they stay on till 10PM regardless of the time of year.

I played with using a luminance sensor, using when it got to 0 to start a 2 hour timer to shut off, but I have a few neighbors who have some bright lights that randomly come on and it would throw it off.

I assume that’s exactly what it’s doing. But that means the lights turn off a few hours later in the summer than in the winter. Later than what the OP is looking for.

I agree with @OldChicagoPete that adding to the rule trigger or conditions could help.

I have an evening time automation that is triggered either by sunset (in the winter) or around 5:30pm (in the summer).

What would probably be most helpful is if @user897 could share a screenshot of the rule, and also let us know what is the latest time the lights should shut off in the summer.

Here is a driver that tracks meteorological seasons. You could use it in rule machine to auto-set your off time for Spring, Summer, Fall and Winter. Not precise by the day but maybe simple and good enough. [RELEASE] Meteorological Seasons driver

Or, as mentioned separate it into two rules with a date clause like I do here to alert me if someone opens our locked owners closet in our rental condos. But only for dates we are not normally there.