Discussion about Other Solutions

Yeah you got a point.

But on Homey you have to pay full price to use Community developed stuff, here we don’t.

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Uhhh.. what is that? 'Inovelli' ?
I found it - it is a small local company somewhere overseas that produces only 110 volt switches?
Totally unusable in Europe!
:crazy_face:

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I should start charging.... :thinking: :wink:

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That is true :blush:

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I remember the original YT clip they posted on Honey... Sounds like it is still EU focused for now... But US will come...

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I’m sorry I’m missing what you throwing there. :sweat:

Only tongue-in-cheek.... I develop the odd integration for HE myself.

EDIT - I completely missed this @ACKmySYN , my typo meant this didn't make a lot of sense....

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Had this ever come across my radar before I bought a Hubitat, I would have crossed it off the list immediately due to the lack of a zwave radio.

You’re brave. I run a dedicated HAos VM on my NAS just for the ESPresence integration. If it wasn’t for that, I’d delete it. I’ve run it on and off again for years. I have a love hate relationship with it, but I mostly dislike it. :rofl:

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I was running HA on a Pi4, then on a VM. In a quest for power savings, I got a Green. After 1 month of running, the Green was reporting 10% life used on the eMMC. That gives the box an approximate lifespan of less than a year before the eMMC is toast. I don't even do much logging (I don't have the energy dashboard set up any more, for example).

The Green's USB ports are only USB2, and very tightly positioned beside the power jack, so its' difficult/impossible to plug in a Zigbee dongle, or a USB thumb drive. The speed of the USB makes it painful to use a thumb drive as the data drive, too (I was using a Transcend 32GB MLC drive that does 100MB/s on a 'real' computer).

The Green was exceptionally good regarding power consumption, less than 2W most of the time, and that's including the Sonoff Zigbee stick and the thumb drive.

I've now given up on the Green, and moved to a Odroid N2+, Home Assistant boots off a 32GB eMMC, and data is on aforementioned thumb drive running on USB3 - a much faster and reliable solution to the Green IMO.

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I've looked at Homey briefly, and what I think people don't get is that with Homey, you get their basic automation thing whatever it's called and Advanced Flow (for an extra $30). And that's it. Well, they have a "just code it all up in JavaScript" thing too, I guess.

Lock Code Manager is just stupid easy to use. So easy I basically forget about it even existing, I spend so little time messing with it when I need to manage my locks. The only thing it needs to be perfect is the ability to enable/disable lock codes on a recurring schedule.

Re-implementing what it does in Homey Advanced Flow would be a nightmare. It's practically impossible in Home Assistant's automation editor, too. Go install "KeyMaster" on Home Assistant if you want a laugh. It's AWFUL and doesn't even work nearly as well as Lock Code Manager.

Room Lighting does just a plain ridiculous amount of stuff with a couple clicks. Again, what I've done in a few minutes via Room Lighting would take me hours upon hours to reimplement in Homey's Advanced Flow.

The video above compares Advanced Flow to Rule Machine, and that's really not a valid comparison. I would never replace Lock Code Manager with Rule Machine rules. I would never replace the ~50 instances of Room Lighting I'm running with Rule Machine.

They have "Heimdall" as their version of HSM. From looking at that it doesn't look nearly as powerful, and I'd probably end up having to implement half of what HSM does for me presently in their Advanced Flow too, even with Heimdall.

Nothing is perfect. Rule Machine desperately needs a version of Home Assistant's "Trigger ID" as an example. Being able to say "If X triggered this Rule do ABC" and "If Y triggered this Rule do CDE" would be very useful. But it seems like a lot of people get hung up on "Rule Machine is difficult to use" and I agree, it's clunky for sure. If/else if/else is way too difficult to use, needing a few extra clicks to get the "else if" in place.

But out of the possibly 200+ "automations" I have in place on my Hubitat, Rule Machine runs maybe 30 of them. The rest are in more specialized Apps and re-implementing what they do (and do very well and very easily) in something like Advanced Flow would not be fun.

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You make excellent points. Personally, where I see a visual system being great is for more complex, or staged automations. Eg



I’m a very visual person, so I struggle to visualise the outcomes of rules I write and frequently end up with unintended consequences as a result.

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I think that is the whole point... functionality aside ... Different people want / need different ways of interacting with their smart home. There are the perennial dashboard discussions, those who want voice assistants or not, those who want / need simpler or more advanced automation definitions, etc.

Just like Google have expanded their basic routines offering, Home Assistant have brought more complex integration setups in-house and Hubitat continue to improve both their advanced automation offering and the simpler alternatives, like @PunchCardPgmr acknowledged, it is a balancing act each platform is trying to negotiate.

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You know you can add comments to Rules, right? I think it's a feature a lot of people miss.

Put a few comments in there, it'll help.

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Oh, oh, look what iSG does that evidently no one else does!!

Unlike other competitors that can only set trigger events, we also support optional conditions (like time range, weather condition or device condition), greatly increasing the possibilities.

Boy, I wish we could trigger based on time, weather, device condition...oh wait, we've been able to do that since forever.

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One of the reasons I left android was Samsung was doing their best to make Tasker useless. Everything I wanted to do with tasker I needed ADB, but I could never get it to work with my Galaxy Note9 and Note 20's, so tasker became essentially useless. I was also noticing a slow creep from both Google and Samsung to lock things down and restrict access to settings that were once easily accessed requiring tasker, which of course I could never get to work correctly. I'm happy I made the switch from Android. I was afraid Iwould be missing something, but I'm really not.

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Not my experience...Tasker is still a great tool on Android/Samsung and a key differentiator for me between Android and iOS. Google/Samsung have definitely been tightening security up on Android, which is a good thing overall for the majority of users.

But let's stay on topic here and focus on making fun of other hubs. :wink: "Homey" - seriously?! That's the best name they could come up with?!? :smiley:

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I can't completely remember now what finally pushed me over, it's been over a year. It actually didnt have anything to do with HE. I had a set of tasks to set my phone to silent, turn off Bluetooth, turn off Wi-Fi and lower battery power when I got to work. It worked great for a couple of years, all of a sudden, they locked down, was it the wifi? or Bluetooth, and I could never get ADB to run to get around it. That was a more critical issue than anything related to HE.

Speaking of other hubs, whatever happened to Oh-La Labs making a hub?

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It exists, at least in terms of specs. I don't really know anything about it...and don't see any way to purchase one.

https://oh-lalabs.com/core/specs/