Delta VoiceIQ module

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Anyone have one of these add-on modules for the Delta Touch2o faucets?

Logic told me, don't buy this really expensive cloud-based module, which will one day be a doorstop someday if Delta decides there's no money in keeping the cloud service alive. But an almost unreasonable obsession with cool home automation gadgets made me click Buy Now :roll_eyes:

I don't see an API and there's nothing I found out there with a reverse engineered API. Must be possible, and I know there's people here capable. But is there a will... :thinking:

Hate that they use the "Ask Delta" nomenclature, but hoping I might be able to get around it reasonably well with Google Assistant Relay. That too is a crapshoot, since at this point I've been unable to find any reviews or instructional videos on setting it up with Google Assistant, and how well it performs.

But eventually, local control is what I'm hoping for no matter what Delta does with it, it will always work. Happy to work with any of the talented developers here willing to give it a shot once I receive the VoiceIQ module.

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Arrived today. Setup and calibrated (e.g. Adjusted the small quantities for precision). Very cool device, or at least I think so. I know some think it's stupid...Whatever.

I dislike the requirement on Alexa for, "Alexa, Ask Delta" or even worse, Google Assistant requires "Ask Delta Faucet" :roll_eyes: However, Google Assistant Relay works excellent to get around this. A bit of work, but I setup Alexa routines to trigger "virtual motion sensor as switch" devices, so I can say (almost) what I want to dispense the different volumes or fill custom containers. Each routing triggers the corresponding virtual motion sensor as switch, and that triggers the rule that has all of them, each triggering the appropriate "Ask delta faucet to dispense x amount of water", which I adjusted to the amounts are perfect.

It seems this might not be able to work with both assistants at once. I get an error when trying to use the Alexa skill. I set it up with Google Assistant first, because I knew I wanted to utilize GAR with it. That's kind of alright with me actually. When the Alexa skill is enabled, it interferes with my custom phrase that controls the faucet from Alexa via GAR.

Using this with Google Assistant is a hell of a lot simpler when creating custom routines, since the action can do exactly what you want based on a custom phrase. A method I wish Amazon would incorporate into Alexa. Especially the ability to have multiple trigger phrases in a single routine. As much as I like and prefer Alexa, the Google method of trigger and execution in their routines in undeniably superior.

At some point, local control would be brilliant and would give me more peace of mind than relying on the cloud, although the response time when I use GAR is between 2-2.5 seconds. Quite acceptable. If I ask via the Delta "skill" or whatever they are called on Google Assistant, it's a 1 second response time. Pretty impressive for cloud, but maybe that's just tonight and I'll be disappointed at some later date. Or maybe this is, or is going to be a local execution from the Google Nest Hub :man_shrugging:

Anyway, just an update if anyone but me cares. :joy: I've got other projects on the go, but maybe at some point, someone like @codahq, skilled at sniffing out the custom APIs can give me some pointers. I'll be happy to work any developer interested in creating a local integration for this.

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I'm pretty siloed into doing development for things I actually own and use. All of these weird, wonky drivers I create... I actually use these things in my home. So, unless I end up buying one of these it won't be on my list of things to RE.

That said... I will absolutely give you or somebody else here pointers if the effort is made to crack it open to take a look.

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Understood. This is an outlier for sure and not at all popular by the looks of it. Expensive, so I can understand why there's limited appeal, especially now.

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I’m about ready to pull the trigger on one of these delta touch2.0 with voiceiq for my kitchen remodel: how do you like it now that you’ve had it for awhile. I also don’t like the Alexa delta phrase requirement. I just want to be Ae to say “Alexa” turn on the faucet”, “Alexa, pour two cups”, etc. I’m also wondering if I can setup virtual switches in Apple HomeKit that run rules in HE that tell Alexa what to do. Ideally I’d prefer to get rid of most of my echos except a few for voice notifications through hubitat but like the HomePod mini for voice commands but this faucet doesn’t support HomeKit which is where I was hoping maybe HE could help me bridge that gap. Mind showing a few of your rules you have setup for your relays and how you have done that? Thank you.

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The Touch2,0 is spot on. That to me is what all faucets should be like. Excellent when washing dishes. Sometimes I have had to tap on the solenoid valve a bit (very rarely) to get the valve to return to instantly shutting off, but regardless, the volumes have never been wrong with the VoiceIQ module. Once I tap it a few times it's good for months. No big deal. There's a clip that does the sensing from the metal faucet, and some have said their faucet became less sensitive over time. I think it's probably corrosion on that clip. Sometimes when the faucet seems like it isn't responding when I think it should have, I just move that clip around a bit to break up any possible corrosion. Seems to work, as the response always goes back to what I expect. Sometimes you'll tap the faucet when not expecting to. Sometimes water will stream from you to the faucet and that's enough to turn it off. Not a bit deal. You get used to that. I have never tried the Moen. Maybe it's better in a different way, but I am happy with my purchase for sure.

You can do anything with the assistants and HomeKit combined. Local HomeKit would solve reliability issues, but for now control of the VoiceIQ module is entirely cloud. So not fast (sometimes two-three second delays on Alexa). Google was slightly faster, but stopped working one day and I didn't feel like trouble-shooting it. Relies on Google Assistant Relay for control from HE. That part was fine, but I just decide to switch to Alexa control because it was working now, where it didn't for me before.

I would really like to have local control of it, but that doesn't exist today. So just using the virtual switch as motion sensor code works fine with the Alexa custom commands. The routines you setup on the Delta portal always work, but it's limited. I have "Fill the kettle" on there and that never fails.

The custom phrases that I setup are either difficult for it to understand sometimes, or I forget exactly what I am supposed to say (and I wrote it myself :crazy_face:). So I've been thinking of changing control for much of it to switches for activation. When I want a specific volume, or task, I think I would be less frustrated by flipping to a room called "Delta Faucet" on my Google Home and turning on a switch for that volume of water. But I haven't tested that yet. Task name display might be an issue.

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Did you ever do any additional work on trying to find any APIs or getting local control?

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No local control still. Might not even be possible. I've been using it with the Alexa skill and a "virtual motion sensor as switch" driver to trigger it. Has been working very reliably.

I have an Aqara/Opple 6 button controller in the kitchen that I programmed for the amount of water needed for morning coffee (i.e. Button 1 =5 cups, Button 2 =8 cups, Button 3 =10 cups, and Button 4 =12 cups), each triggering a virtual motion sensor for an accompanying Alexa routine that sends the command "Alexa, ask delta to pour [the appropriate amount in milliliters that fills the coffee pot correctly]"

This has about a 1 second delay, and never seems to fail now. Not much to complain about. Avoiding cloud is always a good idea, but just not always feasible to get what you need or want.

I used to have a lot of virtual motion sensor/switches setup so I didn't have to say "Alexa, ask delta..." but aside from daily coffee, I use the feature so little that I'm just keeping it simple now. A few regular dishes like pasta and certain mixes we eat regularly come in handy. The modules are less expensive than when I first bought mine, so if you have the compatible faucet already or your faucet came with it, then I still personally think it's very helpful even if it's cloud only.

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I dunno... My moen stuff is pretty temp accurate. I just reach in and turn on which ever head I need... lol

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That sounds like a good way to do it. I can see only needing a few different amounts most of the time. Coffee and a few different size pots are about all we use regularly.

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Well I get your joke, but all kidding aside, Moen does actually have quite a nice Alexa controllable faucet and does handle temp too. But the problem I have with Moen products is they are cheaply made. They sell you on the concept of free Moen parts for life, but you go through a ton of Moen parts over their lifetime.

Contrast that to Delta, they go for many years without issues. I never needed a single part for my Delta faucet before selling it with our previous home. My Dad had a 20 year old Delta faucet that finally needed a new cartridge (which was free with no problems, fewer in fact than I've experienced in reaching Moen support of late), and our new-to-us home had the Delta Touch 2O faucet installed somewhere around 10 years ago and it still works without issue. Only thing I've done is add the newer style Touch 2O valve so I could use my Delta VoiceIQ module with it.

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I have the higher end Moen stuff, so I'm not sure if that will be an issue. So far (knock on tile) no problems...

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Yeah, I thought $350 for a kitchen faucet 20 years ago was high-end, but maybe that's an outdated idea. Perhaps their newer stuff is designed with different cartridge types, similar to Delta? :man_shrugging:

I truly hope you have a good experience. Expensive plumbing problems are horrible.

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I paid about that for my current faucet with touch-less activation. My shower fixtures are a whole different story and until I did my shower I had no idea how expensive the stuff really is.

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