Debate on using a Hubitat hub for a security system

But maybe it should be, it works so well for replaceable, responsible, redeemable. Would just mean not without paying attention... :rofl:

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How do you figure? I personally do not like, or trust, RM, just based on how often it breaks with updates as it is reported often in this forum. I would say that the main purpose of the hub is to process data sent from the devices and turn them into hub events (at the driver level), so that apps (like RM) that subscribe to the hub events can take actions on them. The hub also acts as a scheduler to allow us to run automations on set schedules. What app you use that subscribes to the device events to take actions on is the user's choice. RM is just one option.

Webcore, for example, is much more stable than RM. It has been around longer than the Hubitat Hub itself. It is no longer being poked at constantly like RM is, so it is quite reliable. If you don't like how RM gets poked at so much and breaks, just don't use it for automations that require dependability.

That said, I don't even use Webcore anymore, as I prefer app code for automations.

I do not use any hub security features, as I don't have security issues where I live. Still, using Hubitat for security is certainly better than using nothing at all. Just based on my convenience automations, which are many, that very rarely have any issues, I would put about 95% faith in it reporting for security issues, but if you feel that you need 100% reliability (is anything really 100% reliable?), you buy a dedicated home security system.

There is also a whole category of things that need dependability that are not security. I can tell you I have run my furnace totally from Hubitat for two winters now, using zigbee relays on the zone valves, and I have had no issues in two years. I can press one button to go back to local thermostat control should anything fail (hub or relays) but I just haven't had that happen.

Garden irrigation is another category that needs high dependability, and again, I have had no issues there. You can also say that you can't depend on leak sensors to detect leaks, but yes, may people rely on Hubitat to report leaks and turn off valves for this high dependability required function. The hub may not be 100% reliable, but it is up there, and it is OK to put a bit of faith in it for things that really need to not fail, even if there is a small chance it may.

How often does someone try to break into your house? That is the other issue, the hub has to fail just at the time when it is needed to be dependable, so the odds of it failing just before a break-in is even lower than the general dependability, odds wise.

You know when someone starts picking on grammar, that they are the ones who are in the hole.

Just for historical purposes, RM preceded both Hubitat and WebCore. WebCore was born to fill the void that RM left in the Smartthings community, when their platform decided to "clean up" people's data from the cloud that made rules stop working and the creator and Hubitat founder withdrew the app because Smartthings was too unstable.

So @user7093 to your point, let's not talk about Smartthings :rofl: At least with Hubitat, you can rest assured that no one will delete the data from your hub, because we don't send your data in the cloud.

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Well as soon I saw it earlier I discovered that it was, although considered non standard. It's a combination of irrespective and regardless first used in 1847. A search on t'internet saved me calling out the error, thus avoiding egg on face.

Anyway, back to setting up my security system in Rule Machine. I'm setting this up based on my cameras facial recognition. A few tweaks and I'm good to go.

Joe Pesci 90S GIF by Home Alone

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If you had bothered to read the first several posts, you'd see that a couple of others were reporting similar issues.

However, after the way several so called "Ambassadors" and others responded to me, I'm guessing they were scared off in asking for help as well. Good job guys!

Yet the facts, crap's broken...It's not my opinion things are broken, it's a fact. In your opinion, they aren't.

Again, if you had actually paid attention to the first few posts of the thread, you would see that someone did out, but they haven't provided anything useful.

Actually, first use dates back to 1795.

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Interesting. Good to know that history. RM was long gone when I was on SmartThings, and that is where I picked up using Webcore.

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Sorry, ST never deleted my data. But they did/do have an official support system in place. With a phone number to call, a real ticketing system, and they had follow up! I used it as recently as 6 months ago.

Too bad Samsung ended up trashing the system.

I really couldn’t care less how you use your hub. As I said, we all take responsibility for the decisions we make in our homes. Or at least most of us do.

Is it safe to assume you’ve lost interest in getting help with your hub in your original thread in favor of getting the last word in here?

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It's not a fair tactic to pose some questions and then keep moving the goal posts. Makes you look like a troll.

You should have stated your position when you started the thread.

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Actual alarm systems are all subject to regulations and UL testing/certification. No home automation company calls their system a safety/security system. Control4's direct owner also owns an alarm system company (Clare) and the home automation system will interact with it others in a manner similar to Hubitat's integrations with Ring, Qolsys, etc.

Some in the security industry are very picky about any non-certified players working with their systems.

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Hi, my name is Stephen and I use Hubitat as a pseudo-security system. I have glass break sensors, contact sensors on doors and windows, sirens, moisture sensors etc all set up to notify me. Am I aware that is not a an official security system? Yes! Am I ok with that? Yes!

They are teamed with multiple security cameras. I also supplement said system with tools from Smith & Wesson, Beretta, & Mossberg. Until about a week ago, there was a 4-legged friend roaming the house. Six months ago, there were 2 of them.

I wouldn't feel any safer with equipment from ADA, Vivint or SimpliSafe.

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Nice!

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Then you are one of a few that didn't suffer that experience.

ST for a while suffered repeated outages because off their cloud getting overloaded with custom apps. They had several Firmware updates that wiped peoples hubs clean. Then there is my personal experience where they killed they ADT Smartthings hub and kept inferior hardware for God knows what reason. Smartthings for a long time was notorious for breaking users with not much reason. I can't tell you how many users i had talking to me about how Samsung handled the ADT Smartthings Panel decom and stopped honoring the agreement to compensate users. I would not trust ST for any.

Even with the ADT Smartthings Panel the Alarm stuff was silo'd from the Smartthings side. I was the developer there for the ADT tools Smartapp so fairly familiar with all of that stuff.

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Not sure what your point is. But is strange that you've mentioned that, because I see you have 2 tickets in our ticketing system that have been solved, so you must know that Hubitat also has a "real ticketing system."

But thanks to them you can now call a phone line to complain about it. Because SmartThings before Samsung bought them didn't offer phone support :slight_smile:

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From my experience, smartthings AFTER Samsung didn't offer phone support either, unless you count telling you to factory reset for any symptom is "support". Oddly, that is usually the last resort here.

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I also find it hard to believe that anyone who’s ever actually tried to use SmartThings phone support would tout its existence as a selling point of the ST ecosystem.

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Hubitat is one of the tools I use in my overall security system. Its strength is its ability to be customized to fit my needs. It makes my house more secure, it is reliable, and I am happy with it.

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@user7093
I'm surprised that there hasn't been here a post which clearly differentiates between "safety" and "security".
I certainly use HE for the purpose of "safety".
I have around 12 water leak sensors (which have saved me thousands of dollars). That's safety.
I have, on every floor, Zwave smoke/fire detectors (in addition to hardwired ones), to inform me if I'm away of smoke/fire. That's safety.
I have sensors in my fridges/freezers to notify me if the temperature exceeds a value, or if the door has been left open. That's safety.
I could go on, but I'm sure you get the idea.
Yes, I rely on HE for safety purposes, not security.
I have found HE to be generally reliable (although individual sensors may not be), and I'm very satisfied with it's performance to enhance my family's safety.

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