The fact there are zero posts from Hubitat in this thread gives you your answer...
I was being sarcastic.
I know. I should have put a smiley on mine too. 
My response was submitted here, but it was really a general response. I contemplated posting it elsewhere, in a more generalized thread, but it fit here as well.
I've read countless threads with innocent questions about integrations and the respondents come out of the woodwork again and again telling people how they're wrong to use Ring or Arlo or Nest or Honeywell or..... These same posts commonly include references to the evils of cloud services and integrations as a whole and an erroneous statement that Hubitat is a non-cloud platform. 11 separate integrations would seem to prove otherwise.
I've also posted questions here and received these responses, and they usually lead to the anti-cloud acolytes taking over the thread, discussing their favorite non-cloud equipment or system, etc. alternative with no consideration that the person asking may have already invested considerable money into the system that they are asking about. Several posts in, we are knee deep into engineering users debating an entirely different system or systems from the ones originally invested in and posted on. Ultimately, the original question tends not to be answered.
I understand the purpose and benefit of a robust user community. I have found some great information and solutions here. I also understand that, in a field like this, there can be a tendency for the community to be taken over by an agenda or a group with one.
You think that was bad... ask them if they plan on supporting Windows Phone or Cortana... You get the double whammy by the Google Acolytes and Apple Brigade, and lectured by developers about the evils of the Microsoft ecosystem. But worst of all? You give hope to the three other people that use those products. The hope that the product they love, could have meaning beyond the simple pleasures they've provided us for years. Meaning, as the sensation of waning warmth from the last faltering ember of support is slowly replaced with a gentle green screen of death.
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Hmmm....
Comparing support for products and services that are widely adopted (purchased) with growing user bases, with active and expanding developer support from the platform creators as well as a multitude of third party developers.....
To
A mobile platform that was publicly dropped by its creator who now actively supports Android, and Cortana, which was originally a game creation, then Microsoft scrambled develop it in an attempt to offer a function on that defunct mobile platform that was similar to its competitors.
I don’t understand sarcasm. Could you explain it??? I’ve only used it for 40+ years. I’m still learning.
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My personal experience with technology mobs predates this platform and all of the factors you listed. I was not implying that the fine folks here actually add support for my preferred phone. I get it, it's a discontinued platform.
As for sarcasm, it can be hard to convey when typing in a forum, anD wE MAy nEver FinD a wAY to DO sO.
My last line was sarcastic.
You’re right. We may never find a way to convey that brilliance in this format..... but we can sure as he// try.
I don't see anywhere in this thread as to where the above sentence is anywhere Implied? Most are merely stating the obvious as Hubitat has very limited resources available. And there are literally Hundreds of "widely accepted popular" devices. Will it ever happen.....maybe? Is it a top priority for their limited resources....No. Especially for devices that can already be virtually adopted through integrations they already support like IFTTT.
I feel ya. I miss my Windows phone terribly. Samsung dropping support for Windows phone (among other things) was a major reason I made the switch to Hubitat.
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I understand limited resources.
I also understand business and marketing.
If Hubitat’s objective is to not only survive, but to also flourish and become a leader in their space, they need a good product that is open, accessible, and compatible as possible.
For the widest adoption of a platform (Such as Hubitat), best to focus resources on compatibility with platforms that are already the widest adopted.
It’s simple math. Which is opens the door to more purchases of Hubitat products?
A) Compatibility/Interoperability with a device Or platform used by hundreds or thousands.
B) Compatibility/Interoperability with a device or platform used by millions.
It’s pretty clear, working with a system already owned by millions, who have already shown a willingness to purchase smart home products, opens the door to more people with more money that can buy Hubitat products.
Is that selling their souls to the devil?
Nope. I have confidence that the Hubitat crew can create a system that is both compatible and protects the users.
It is also important to realize that not all companies (e.g. Logitech, Nest, etc...) are very open to having tons of companies as partners. Logitech has stopped accepting requests for integration. And Google/Nest stopped accepting new "Works with Nest" integrations over a year ago as well.
I believe Hubitat would gladly add additional integrations, if those vendors were open and willing to accept new partnerships from small companies. However, I get the feeling that vendors like Logitech have decided to focus on huge companies like Amazon, Google, Samsung, etc... at this time, due to the amount of support required for a plethora of small integrations.
Just my 2 cents...
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I always find it unbelievable that there are people who don't have a successful rapidly expanding platform, who offer unsolicited advice to a successful rapidly expanding platform, on what is required for their success, as well as assuming their view is what everyone views as correct......hubris
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Not hubris.
Logic
“rapidly expanding platform...”
That’s GREAT!
Keys to remaining “rapidly expanding” include
- Adding features that users are asking for
- Responding to questions that are repeatedly asked by users in its User Community that’s is promoted and leaned on (for support and communication).
- Unless the objective is to remain a relatively small “rapidly expanding platform” (which is a subjective measurement), incorporate the most widely adopted sub-platforms that make up the products and services in the space chosen.
None of that is self aggrandizement, over confidence, or self importance; just logic and Business 101.
But maybe you prefer to call logic “hubris”.
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Again, what are your credentials to offer this "unsolicited" advise? Which successful platform have you created and are currently running? You do realize this "rapidly expanding platform" occurred prior to your advise......one would think they would have hired you to get were they are now?
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Ok.
- LightPort: Ran project office and product management.
We built first large scale distributed investment reporting platform providing client account access online before the “Cloud”. Our system was used by Goldman Sachs, Baron Funds, and many more. Company was purchased and is now called InvestCloud.
Have been brought in on product development on multiple platforms in financial services. Widespread adoption of these platforms occurred as we implemented integrations with the most widely used, and liked complimentary systems in the field. Platforms include: - Advisor360
- Redtail Technology
- InterGen Data: Winner of multiple best new technology awards. Continuing work on product management and new market analysis and selection.
- Consulted on design of Back Office and branch systems for 1st Global Capital Corp/1st Global Advisors
- Consulted on new platform and product development for multiple initiatives at Cambridge Investment Research.
And I never said that they weren’t already successful and I never implied that they needed me or could not succeed without me. Your assumptions or statements about me seem to be emotionally defensive responses to ideas that you may not agree with.
What else would you like to know?
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All of these are 100% local, no cloud involved...
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I will add that the quickest way to go from
[quote="DadzBoyz, post:19, topic:20656"]
“rapidly expanding platform...”
[/quote] to the next Lowes Iris is to lose focus. Spreading yourself too thin, trying to support too much, has killed more projects that should have been successful.
@hubitat keep up the slow steady focused work.
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Here's my 2 cents. Reject them both if you like. This entire thread, while mildly entertaining, is moot.
Hubitat does not discuss their road map. They've repeatedly stated that. For all any of us know, they could be working with Amazon on this right now. None of us that are not employed by the company are going to know one way or another about any upcoming feature or integration unless they decide to give a spoiler, or until it goes to the beta testing group.
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