C8? Has anyone heard any talk of the next generation?

[aaiyar]

@danabw

I for one will not be joining any C8 bandwagon until some riskier early adopters venture into the valley of death and come out smelling like roses.

But isn't that half the fun?1

[danabw]

For me, great fun!

For wife...no no no no no no no no no no no

And that's on a good day.

[dean]

@danabw

and is only now getting a significant Z-Wave stack update that seems to alleviate several key problems

Where is this "significant Z-Wave stack update"?

[aaiyar]

@dean

significant Z-Wave stack update

In beta test. So not yet released.

[danabw]

As @aaiyar noted, in beta.

And (hopefully this doesn't break my Beta NDA!) you're gonna love it.

[jlv]

It is mentioned in this public thread, if you are not in the beta: Zwave get updated 7.17.1 - #125 by jbilodea
The links at the top of the thread has the Silabs release notes.

[dean]

I just reviewed the link mentioned. While there seem to be some improvements with the update, there are still reports of problems and odd behavior.

[aaiyar]

@dean

there are still reports of problems and odd behavior.

Correct.

Although in the zwavejs2mqtt community, the number of issues and their severity are both substantially decreased,

The anecdotal reports we’ve seen here (from @jbilodea and others) suggest impressive improvements.

[jbilodea]

@aaiyar

suggest impressive improvements.

For my own case, my network is stable like never before. I'm really happy. Hope it helps everybody.

[csteele]

@dean

some improvements with the update, there are still reports of problems and odd behavior.

As @aaiyar suggests, that update fixes only the bug(s) mentioned, leaving all the rest of the bugs unaddressed. Ultimately it's about if you're being hit by the bug, then the update will improve your life. If Not, maybe your bug will be in the next SiLabs release. It's quite clear that 7.17.1 is a significant fix for the bug(s) identified. It seems to introduce no additional bugs, which is perhaps a bigger "feature."

[danabw]

@csteele

It seems to introduce no additional bugs, which is perhaps a bigger "feature."

Agree...so far, at least from what we've seen posted, it's a very good update, and hasn't been found to torpedo anything (yet).

[magasser]

Just curious if the limit of 32 Zigbee devices directly connected to the hub is a limit that could be overcome with a new hub? I tend to favor Zigbee over Zwave and thus have more Zigbee devices.

[aaiyar]

@magasser

if the limit of 32 Zigbee devices directly connected to the hub is a limit that could be overcome with a new hub?

I think with zigbee 3.0 the limit is 64 devices directly connected to the hub/coordinator.

@magasser

have more Zigbee devices.

The appropriate solution here is to add lots of zigbee routers. I have a large mesh with a Zigbee 3.0 coordinator that is very stable and fast. I have a total of about 80 devices on this network, of which 14 are zigbee routers. Only four end-devices are connected directly to the coordinator. The rest are all connected via routers.

[jlv]

@magasser

Just curious if the limit of 32 Zigbee devices directly connected to the hub

Interestingly enough, SmartThings raised the limit on my v2 hub from 32 to 64 with a firmware update (just as I was removing devices and moving them to my C-7). So you might not even need a new hub.

[jwjr]

OMG I want that Zigbee network map! How did you generate it?

[aaiyar]

That network map isn't Hubitat. It is a separate zigbee 3.0 network I run and integrate into Hubitat using virtual devices. But an Xbee3 will let you generate similar maps with Hubitat. Here's a link to the relevant thread:

Everything Xbee

Since Xbee devices were taking the Xiaomi devices - are they pairing / staying connected for you? thread off track and info is scattered between here and the SmartThings forum. I figured I would create a thread for everything Xbee related. You can display Xbee zigbee network scans as a graph like this [Xbee%20graph] or a table like this [Xbee%20table] These are great little devices to use as routers to extend your network and for mapping out your zigbee network. They have made my Xiaomi…

[jwjr]

Thanks!

[jrfarrar]

Agreed the 32 device limit has not at all been an issue. I've slowly moved more and more to zigbee because it works so much faster/better for me. The XBEE was huge in allowing me to see the network and actually watch in heal in real time.

[jrfarrar]

Christmas is coming soon.... ???

[sburke781]

My very ill-informed opinion would be that what I expect are continued troubles in getting electronics produced and distributed would nullify general expansion of a product like we would all like to see..... But maybe the introduction of a new protocol like Matter, over time, may make a new hub more of a viable proposition...? I'm guessing not this holiday season... But who knows....