I am a huge fan too. And I don't like to see people frustrated. That is never a good thing for a company.
I want to upgrade to a C7 but I am going to wait, like I would with any brand new thing, to do so. This is no different than the "don't buy the first model year car" theory.
I am sure this will get ironed out soon, they have a lot riding on this being successful. I hope everyone can be patient, and I personally would wait until they release the next bugfix update or next release update before trying again.
Absolutely what I'm doing. I'm not doing any migration work until there is a fix that has been verified to work. Until then only light playing around w/my C7.
That doesn't mean I'm not frustrated like other new owners. One positive that should come out of this is HE determining why they had this escapee, and updating/adjusting their test plans/processes, etc., to avoid things like this in the future. At my company these events were equally painful, but if you did the right investigations afterwards you could make some important improvements to your processes and provide better customer experiences in the future.
I kinda feel this way about the updates. I know I have seen many updates come out with 2.2.1.119 then .120 then .122 then 125 all within the first two weeks.. so I usually give it a good 14 days to update.
When you have to log into your firewall and disable a rule then log into the hub and update and then re-enable the rule...I usually follow the announcement threads before I take the time to update.
I can only go by memory, since all my devices that have S2 are installed on my production system. I have more on the way, but I was informed of a delay in my latest order.
From memory, when I began joining an Inovelli Red Dimmer, I got the S2 popup with it's set of 3 S2 options and 1 S0 option. I deselected them all and completed the Join that way. It did complete, and I was able to use the Dimmer 'normally'. The popup was new to me, new to all of us, but I did assume that selecting none would be an insecure join. I did not check. It could have ignored my selections and joined S0 because I had it in my head that nothing selected meant nothing selected
I don't have my C-7 in production. In fact, I have nothing Joined to it, but I have had. I've had a Linear Garage Door Opener (same as the GoControl and Iris branded ones) as well as two Yale locks. All three of those require S0 and don't support S2. They worked fine, but they don't display the popup.
I changed my mind about how I am going to use the C-7 and thus have removed everything in preparation to use it the 'new way'. And those devices are on order, but delayed.
If a device does not have separate pairing methods for unsecure and S0, how does one still pair it unsecure now there there is no end user option to force things to pair unsecured like there was on the C-4/C-5?
Previously it was locks/garage door controllers only, or everything secure. There was never an option to force devices that wanted to pair securely, not to.
Just curious how many of these exist besides old(ish) locks and garage door openers? Any other S0-only devices I have do have separate methods, though I don't exactly have an extensive collection of old Z-Wave devices. (But enough that I just assumed this was part of what the standard required.) I asked this once in another thread where a poster was complaining about a specific device but never got an actual answer as to which device it was.